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AZPaul3
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Message 1261 of 1864 (906619)
02-14-2023 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1254 by candle2
02-14-2023 12:37 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Whereas Liberals control 95% of the media; all of
Hollywood; the music industry; our schools and
universities; big tech; industry; the FBI & CIA; and,
most everything else.
Like the 1%'s greed for $$$, that 95% is not enough. We want it all.
Small kids in our schools are being bombarded with
transgenderism; drag queens; and, liberals teachers
using pronouns such as they, them, when speaking of
themselves.
I'm sure your feelings are like this. But I live in a family neighborhood across the street from a high school. I know a lot of these kids and their parents. If half the crap I hear from the alt-right were real I would see it. Like your god, it isn't there.
I was told that I would not be required to advise anyone
seeking abortion or homosexuality assistance.
Then you were not wanting to help people thru social work you were wanting to proselytize. Deny aide to those in need as an example of your god's love?
As for the rest of your papers, stories and observations ... they are useless. I know the head-set they come from and I can be confident they are bogus.
Regardless of all your trying and twisting in scripture and webster's dictionary you have no evidence for any of your fantasies thus your fantasies are not real, your god does not exist.
These expressions of human hatred in not wanting to help others in need are not expressions of christian evil but the evil deep in your own human soul. You are emotionally and intellectually wounded. You are making your own evil and writing it here.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1262 of 1864 (906622)
02-14-2023 4:45 PM
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02-14-2023 3:42 PM


Re: Identity Politics ©
Phat writes:
Thats funny. We say the same thing about liberals and identity politics.
That's projection. Conservatives continue with the divisive culture wars. Just compare the speeches by Biden and Huckabee. All we ever hear from Conservatives is how "liberals are going to destroy the country".

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jar
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Message 1263 of 1864 (906623)
02-14-2023 4:49 PM


Back towards the "Trinity"
The concept of the "Trinity" was created as a political tool during a struggle between opposing Chapters of Early Proto-Christianity. It's meaning was that one group were REAL Christians while the other was excluded from the power and control hierarchy. It was successful and so became a touchstone for defining who was politically in power and who was not.

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Message 1264 of 1864 (906626)
02-14-2023 4:52 PM
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02-14-2023 3:18 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Taq, nazism controlled all the Liberals now control in
America.
It is the Liberals who push the agenda of racism.
It is impossible to go through a day without hearing
the Liberal media and politicians mentioning it dozens
of time.
I do not know one Conservative friend that ever mentions
race.
Toxic masculinity is a Liberal term. This is a horrible thing
to say to our young boys. This divides the sexes.
Young boys are told to suppress their feelings and
emotions, but this can have a devastating effect later.
Many of them resort to violence, some using guns, when
they finally explode.
Critical Race Theory is openly taught in grade school and
colleges. In many of these places whites are told that
they don't have the right to speak.
There is not one Liberal politician that can define what a
woman is. This is basic biology and they are too stupid to
understand this.
And only a total nut believes in "white privilege."
Being white never gave me a thing. I had to work hard to
get what I want.
America cannot heal as long as these idiotic agendas
are being pushed on us.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1265 of 1864 (906627)
02-14-2023 5:05 PM
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02-14-2023 4:52 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Taq, nazism controlled all the Liberals ...
A take on a recent joke applies here.
My dog's barking crazy in the background because of all the alt-right dog whistles coming from my pc.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1266 of 1864 (906630)
02-14-2023 5:46 PM
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02-14-2023 4:17 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
AZ, I believe in the Bible. And, I follow what it says.
Both homosexuality and murder are condemned.
You might even be surprised to learn that God dislikes
for a man to be effeminate. 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Now I could no more assist someone in killing a baby,
or finding a love-nest for homosexuality than I could in
helping two people commit adultery, or providing a safe
haven for thieves.
I will not assist someone commit sin.
If you want me to post some links about perversions in
our schools, I will.
But don't pretend this stuff doesn't happen.
And, I believe it when you say that 95% control isn't
enough for Liberals. They want to control it 100%.
Being ignorant of what is going on in our schools is
no excuse. Not for a grown man.
I got into Social Work to help people; to assist people in
finding work or a place to live. I wanted to help people
with problems they were facing. I wanted to build a
network of people that I could depend on when I
needed their support, whether monetary or whatever.
About a year before we had a falling out, the entire
Social Work staff prayed me for my ingenuity.
But, they didn't care about that when they learned that I
would no compromise my faith.
Isaiah spoke of people like you who call good evil and
evil good; for putting light for darkness and darkness for
light; for putting sweet for bitter and bitter for sweet.
God call people like that reprobates. They are no longer
able to distinguish.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1267 of 1864 (906633)
02-14-2023 6:16 PM
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02-14-2023 5:46 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
You might even be surprised to learn that God dislikes
for a man to be effeminate. 1 Corinthians 6:9.
{holds wrist loose and lisps}
The shine of humanity in your silly smokey eyes is again so noted, sweetheart.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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AZPaul3
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Message 1268 of 1864 (906634)
02-14-2023 6:50 PM
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02-14-2023 5:46 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
If you want me to post some links about perversions in
our schools, I will.
Oh god no! Anything you could bring here has already been seen on the web in your rightist cabals and memes. We've seen them.
Again, we've been there. We're not going to believe anything you bring.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1269 of 1864 (906635)
02-14-2023 7:02 PM
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02-14-2023 6:16 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
It doesn't even say what he claims. I also have a few gay friends that are more masculine then he could ever hope to be.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 1270 of 1864 (906636)
02-14-2023 7:08 PM
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02-14-2023 7:02 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Why, thank you. I thought you never notithed.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 1271 of 1864 (906640)
02-15-2023 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1263 by jar
02-14-2023 4:49 PM


Re: Back towards the "Trinity"
I feel that you emphasize the political and carnal elements of the church and downplay the spiritual disciplines that made them unified within their clubs.
What I mean is this. GOD had 1 (only) begotten son. Jesus was essentially Gods essence and character in the flesh.(According to my beliefs.)
Jesus had 12 disciples. 12 disciplines, 12 characters. As the church grew, it produced teachers who spread the discipline of the narrative that was Christianity.
Each Disciple was a character unto themself. They were also strongly linked in character and common union (communion) with their teacher(Disciple) who taught them. As an example, if you had Peter as a teacher, you would learn about the Spirit of the living God through the character, behavior, and discipline of Peter. You would get the good and the bad, but you could rest assured that your teacher knew the character of his teacher (Jesus)without compromise.
As years went by, the strength of the passed down character naturally grew more diluted, compromising and less like the originator.(Jesus) What I believe has kept the church from totally disintegrating and splitting apart is the Holy Spirit. The comforter whom Jesus originally sent. It is this glue that keeps the church strong.
You acquired your character from your parents and Joe Wood, as well as the Socratic teachers whom you had. I would maintain that not all of your teachers had the same character, which is both good and bad. It is good because Christians are all unique. It is bad because spurious beliefs from other sources of character crept into the teaching and diluted and corrupted Jesus original message. There is, after all, only one Jesus. Critics may argue that the human element is relative among humans and thus we can ALL be teachers. I would counter that by saying that our source is God...not humanity.
Talk more about character of a Christian. What good is a Christian if their many teachers were many differing beliefs? I know what you are going to say, by the way.
Comments?

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Message 1272 of 1864 (906642)
02-15-2023 8:10 AM
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02-15-2023 8:00 AM


Re: Back towards the "Trinity"
What does any of your post have to do with the origin and purpose of the Trinity Doctrine?
What is the topic of this thread?

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Phat
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Message 1273 of 1864 (906643)
02-15-2023 8:12 AM
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02-15-2023 8:10 AM


Re: Back towards the "Trinity"
The topic is not just some dry history course on church councils and human interpretation. The topic is the Trinity itself.

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Phat
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Message 1274 of 1864 (906644)
02-15-2023 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by jar
03-18-2007 12:47 AM


Here We Go
jar writes:
Jesus is not a male nor is the Holy Spirit.
Granted you can believe that, but Jesus was most certainly male. The female in this dogmatic yet symbiotic union is the church herself.
Or you could start your own female based religion starring Lady Wisdom (Sophia)
Granted there is neither male nor female in heaven, according to the book. Granted also that the society of that day and time were patriarchal. Basics, jar.
The Jews started the whole thing, right?

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Phat
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Message 1275 of 1864 (906645)
02-15-2023 8:24 AM


Jar Likes To Frame Issues Jars Way
You likely want an opportunity to reemphasize one of your pet beliefs--namely that religion originated with humanity. If thats all you want to say, all I can say is been there done that. And though I would agree with your claim, I would also disagree. Perhaps we can again start with the Nicene Creed, since you claim to be a Creedal Cradle Christian.

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