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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
People die from car accidents too. That doesn't mean Ford and Suzuki don't know what they're doing.
They can explain it to everybody's satisfaction but yours.Tell that to the people dying of drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments. Kleinman writes:
To nobody's satisfaction but your own.
At least I can explain how bacteria evolve drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. Kleinman writes:
In nobody's opinion but yours. Your friends have failed at their job.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Show us where Kishony and Lenski (and Desai - don't forget poor Desai) agree with your conclusions about their experiments. No one can claim that you are exaggerating the Kishony and Lenski experiment. You don't know anything about them or how they work.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
That isn't what I asked for. I asked if they agree with YOUR conclusions. I guess you haven't heard, Kishony and Lenski have never published an explanation of their experiment, and Desai is still trying to figure out how drug resistance evolves.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
When they join EvC, I will ask them. Right now, I'm asking you - and either you don't know the answer or you don't want to be honest about it. You're just another crank, citing experiments and claiming you understand them better than the experimenters. Go ask them.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Itt's easy to THINK you understand better than them when you have an ego the size of Montana.
It is easy to understand this better than them, they have no explanation. Kleinman writes:
Show us where he acknowledges that. In fact, Lenski didn't understand why competition slows adaptation until I explained it to him.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Get out of the nineteenth century. Tany is just being a good Darwinist ... Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
But did he acknowledge what you said? Or did he call security? I have conversed several times with Lenski about his work and I have explained to him (and you) why competition slows descent with modification.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
No. You need to understand the biology first.
I have the physics and the math, that's all you need to understand the Kishony and Lenski experiments and descent with modification with and without competition. Kleinman writes:
I don't see where he mentions you in that. Here's where he acknowleged that he doesn't know why competition slows evolution in the paper he edited.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
YOU have to learn that Darwin isn't the be-all and end-all of evolution. Tany still has to learn the laws of thermodynamics and how to do math. He won't do that chasing bugs.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Are you physicall incapable of answering a question honestly? You claimed that you "conversed several times with Lenski about his work" and i asked about his reaction. Did he acknowledge verbally that you were right? (It seems pretty clear that he has not acknowledged you in writing.) Or did he say, "Security! Security! There's an escapee from the asylum loose in the building!"?
He can call whomever he wants. Kleinman writes:
So you admit that he still doesn't understand (your drivel about) his own experiment, even after you explained it to him. So, clearly, he does not acknowledge your claims, which is what I've been asking. If he doesn't want to understand his own experiment, that's his prerogative.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
So you are capable of learning. Congratulations. dumdumCome all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I have told you at least once that reptiles and birds evolved (past tense) from a common ancestor and that fish and mammals evolved (past tense) from a common ancestor. What do you not understand about that? i will be glad to answer your kindergarten-level questions about evolution.
... Oh, that's right, you need to know that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals... Kleinman writes:
We were talking about him acknowledging you. How could he acknowledge you without mentioning you? (That's mathematics, boy! You can't argue with mathematics!) Why should he mention me that he doesn't know why competition slows adaptation?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
It's true that your ideas were already wrong in Darwin's lifetime. But science didn't end in 1882. Instead of flaunting your ignorance, you should move into the twentieth century. And then when you've learned the biology of the twentieth century, we have another twenty-two years worth as icing on the cake. ringo writes:
He certainly got biological competition and descent with modification right. YOU have to learn that Darwin isn't the be-all and end-all of evolution.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
So, after much pulling of teeth, we're clear on that.
He hasn't acknowledged one way or the other. Kleinman writes:
There are lots of people who have read The Lord of the Rings too. Not many believed it was true.
There are lots of people that have read this paper. Kleinman writes:
And he doesn't have to deny it to make it false. He doesn't have to acknowledge it to make it true.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
And you'll probably learn more by respecting your teachers. ringo writes:
You are absolutely right, dumb dumb. So you are capable of learning. Congratulations.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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