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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I have an email out to him. Let's see if he responds.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Kleinman writes: So the only example you could come up with is making the koalas sick by destroying their immune system and possibly driving them to extinction. That's all I need to counter your lie that retroviruses can't produce ERV's.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Kleinman writes:
So you aren't going to explain how a phage makes UCD possible. Another liar for Jesus.
Then have them explain why combination therapy works for treating HIV, weeds, and insects, because you certainly can't explain. All I need to do is cite these papers to counter your lie that recombination plays no part in drug resistance in HIV.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Dredge writes: Tany is just being a good Darwinist ... a good Darwinist ignores any evidence that doesn't conform to Darwinist dictrine. You would have to present that evidence first before accusing people of ignoring it. I showed Kleinman an experiment where the rate of beneficial adaptations was 1 in 10 million replications. Look at how he can't even address it, and then continues to claim that the rate is 1 in 1 billion, no matter what. Look at the lies you peddled from the Discovery Institute dealing with ERV's.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Itt's easy to THINK you understand better than them when you have an ego the size of Montana.
It is easy to understand this better than them, they have no explanation. Kleinman writes:
Show us where he acknowledges that. In fact, Lenski didn't understand why competition slows adaptation until I explained it to him.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Get out of the nineteenth century. Tany is just being a good Darwinist ... Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
But did he acknowledge what you said? Or did he call security? I have conversed several times with Lenski about his work and I have explained to him (and you) why competition slows descent with modification.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Too bad you can't explain how bacteria evolve resistance to an antibiotic and why cancer treatments fail. We can. You can't. The papers on such things are all over the internet (google scholar). Your inane explanations were shown to be bogus. You're a fraud, Kleinman.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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He's a crank, and I have no interest in further exchanges with him, either directly or indirectly.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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I think this shows that further discussion with the troll is futile. Also, I call on Admins to monitor and address his abusive behavior and persistent lies.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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I think this shows that further discussion with the troll is futile. Yes, I pretty much concluded that a while back. I've been resisting any temptation to respond.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:I doubt he will but I hope he does.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Yeah, your argument makes real sense, only 199,999 retroviral infections to go. This is what you get with 26 years in the lab. No one dies from a retroviral infection, in fact, a germ line cell can have 200k without any harm. This is the kind of garbage you come up with.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:I guess you aren't going to explain that one. Kleinman:You cite papers, I cite actual examples. Why doesn't recombination defeat these real examples of combination therapy? And when does recombination or population size defeat these treatments? You simply don't understand how population size affects biological evolution and how frequencies of variants determine the probability of a recombination event occurring. You didn't figure that out with your 26 years of research.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 365 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Dredge:I said, go for it, show how a phage makes UCD possible and you cry that I don't explain your experiment. Explain to us how this experiment changes descent with modification for a single evolutionary step. You won't because you know it is only a single evolutionary step when the Kishony experiment takes 5 evolutionary steps and Lenski's experiment takes about 100 evolutionary steps. And you are an idiot to think that 200k retroviral infections don't do any harm to a germ line cell. That's just plain stupid. Haven't you learned what HIV does to humans and what your retroviral infection does to koalas?
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