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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Taq
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Message 2041 of 2416 (902410)
11-23-2022 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 2039 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 10:42 AM


Re: Response from Dr. Lenski.
Kleinman writes:
This must be a long, long, long goodbye. No cease and desist disorders and Lenski doesn't understand the thermodynamics of his own experiment.
You have no idea what thermodynamics are. For example:
AATATGGATATTAG
AATATGGATATTTG
What is the difference in entropy between those two sequences? You can't seem to answer that basic question.

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Message 2042 of 2416 (902411)
11-23-2022 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 2040 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 10:43 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman writes:
So when is the brilliant virologist going to give us our next Covid. Another harmless viral infection but this one was created by brilliant virologists. You are an idiot that harms people with your stupidity.
Now finding new lies.

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Message 2043 of 2416 (902412)
11-23-2022 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 2037 by Taq
11-23-2022 10:33 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman:
Sure you can, that's why you post all zero of these links that explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
Taq:
You ran away from all of the posts where I cited papers on the evolution of drug resistance.

Sure drug resistance occurs, but no thanks to jerks like you. Why don't you give a mathematical explanation of why 3 drug combination therapy works for the treatment of HIV? If you have trouble doing that math, read this paper:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance

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Message 2044 of 2416 (902413)
11-23-2022 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 2043 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 10:48 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman writes:
Sure drug resistance occurs, but no thanks to jerks like you. Why don't you give a mathematical explanation of why 3 drug combination therapy works for the treatment of HIV?
I already explained it several times. You just ignore it.
If you have trouble doing that math, read this paper:
You are the one getting the math wrong at every turn. You claim that the beneficial mutation rate is 1E9, and you falsely base that on the fixation rate. You also ignore the rate of 1E7 observed in the Lederberg experiment. Even worse, you think you can apply the fixation rate of beneficial mutations in asexual bacteria to sexual eukaryotes. That gets the math so wrong its hilarious.

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Message 2045 of 2416 (902414)
11-23-2022 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 2038 by Taq
11-23-2022 10:34 AM


Re: Response from Dr. Lenski.
Kleinman:
What discussion have I gotten from the mathematician that doesn't do the mathematics of biology? Zero. He knows nothing about the physics and mathematics of biological competition, descent with modification, and recombination. But he does know that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals because a fossil told him.
Taq:
So says the person who got the math wrong. You falsely concluded that the fixation rate is the same as the rate of adaptive mutations. Let's not even get into your inane lies about the addition rule. You also can't get simple math right, such as your claim that it takes 1E9 replications to get an adaptive mutation but it only took 1E7 replications in the Lederberg experiment.

Taq, the genius virologist thinks that phages cause UCD but can't explain the Kishony and Lenski experiment. He's such a smart virologist that gives us Covid and thinks that 200k retroviral infections do no harm to a germ line cell.

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Message 2046 of 2416 (902415)
11-23-2022 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 2045 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 10:52 AM


Re: Response from Dr. Lenski.
Kleinman writes:
Taq, the genius virologist thinks that phages cause UCD but can't explain the Kishony and Lenski experiment.
And I'm done. No reason to respond to the same lies over and over.

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Message 2047 of 2416 (902416)
11-23-2022 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 2041 by Taq
11-23-2022 10:44 AM


Re: Response from Dr. Lenski.
Kleinman:
This must be a long, long, long goodbye. No cease and desist disorders and Lenski doesn't understand the thermodynamics of his own experiment.
Taq:
You have no idea what thermodynamics are. For example:

AATATGGATATTAG
AATATGGATATTTG

What is the difference in entropy between those two sequences? You can't seem to answer that basic question.

Taq will now explain to us entropy even though he knows nothing about thermodynamics and how to do a Markov chain calculation. He's so brilliant.

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Message 2048 of 2416 (902417)
11-23-2022 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 2042 by Taq
11-23-2022 10:45 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
So when is the brilliant virologist going to give us our next Covid. Another harmless viral infection but this one was created by brilliant virologists. You are an idiot that harms people with your stupidity.
Taq:
Now finding new lies.

So which is it, brilliant virologist, is Covid not harmless or 200k retroviral infections not harmless?

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Message 2049 of 2416 (902418)
11-23-2022 11:03 AM


Resorting to spamming us
So now the good doctor who could not get into a US medical school is now spamming us with his own "research". Now if he could find a real scientist that supported his papers that would be something.
He truly has no idea how science, the scientific method and peer-reviewed research work.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2050 of 2416 (902419)
11-23-2022 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 2043 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 10:48 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Who did you submit this paper to for peer review?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 2051 of 2416 (902420)
11-23-2022 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 2044 by Taq
11-23-2022 10:50 AM


Re: Kleinman Admits He's A Fraud.
Kleinman:
Sure drug resistance occurs, but no thanks to jerks like you. Why don't you give a mathematical explanation of why 3 drug combination therapy works for the treatment of HIV?
Taq:
I already explained it several times. You just ignore it.

So you are both stupid and a liar, you never explained anything, especially not why 3 drug combination therapy works for the treatment of HIV.
Kleinman:
If you have trouble doing that math, read this paper:
Taq:
You are the one getting the math wrong at every turn. You claim that the beneficial mutation rate is 1E9, and you falsely base that on the fixation rate. You also ignore the rate of 1E7 observed in the Lederberg experiment. Even worse, you think you can apply the fixation rate of beneficial mutations in asexual bacteria to sexual eukaryotes. That gets the math so wrong its hilarious.

You keep believing that but 3 drug combination therapy works for the treatment of HIV and you don't know why. And you think that 200k retroviral infections of a germ cell line do no harm. That is so stupid that only Tany could believe it. Do your own examples if you can but I doubt it.

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Message 2052 of 2416 (902421)
11-23-2022 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 2045 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 10:52 AM


Re: Response from Dr. Lenski.
But he does know that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals because a fossil told him.
Lie after lie. You are a fraud, Kleinman. And a damned dumb one at that.
Taq in Message 2038
So says the person who got the math wrong. You falsely concluded that the fixation rate is the same as the rate of adaptive mutations. Let's not even get into your inane lies about the addition rule. You also can't get simple math right, such as your claim that it takes 1E9 replications to get an adaptive mutation but it only took 1E7 replications in the Lederberg experiment.
Taq took you to task. For a self-proclaimed math wiz, you suck at math.
You are a fraud, Kleinman.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 2053 of 2416 (902422)
11-23-2022 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 2046 by Taq
11-23-2022 10:53 AM


Re: Response from Dr. Lenski.
Kleinman:
Taq, the genius virologist thinks that phages cause UCD but can't explain the Kishony and Lenski experiment.
Taq:
And I'm done. No reason to respond to the same lies over and over.

You were done before you ever started, you don't understand the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. Who wants to hear about 200k viral infections of a germ cell line that does no harm to the cell? And you certainly can't explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. All you have contributed is phages make UCD occur. You are brilliant. Kishony and Lenski should include phages in their experiments, they can evolve a virologist.

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Message 2054 of 2416 (902423)
11-23-2022 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 2053 by Kleinman
11-23-2022 11:11 AM


Re: Response from Dr. Lenski.
You are a fraud, Kleinman.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 2055 of 2416 (902424)
11-23-2022 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 2049 by Theodoric
11-23-2022 11:03 AM


Re: Resorting to spamming us
Theodoric:
So now the good doctor who could not get into a US medical school is now spamming us with his own "research". Now if he could find a real scientist that supported his papers that would be something.
He truly has no idea how science, the scientific method and peer-reviewed research work.
This must be the long, long, long, long goodbye. And it is truly easy to pass the medical licensing examinations. That's why Theodoric hasn't done it, it's too easy. And Theodoric is an expert on the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. That's why he wrote the papers that explain the Kishony and Lenski experiments because he's an expert on the scientific method and peer-reviewed research. Of course, he hasn't done any of this, he just makes long, long, long, long goodbyes. He's a dope.

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