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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Your words are already twisted and what you call a "position" is nothing but denial. Those posters deliberately and dishonestly twisted my words and misrepresented my position... By the way, the only reason I talk to a scum-sucking troll like you at all is the improve MY understanding. If I say something wrong, I expect to be corrected. That's how science works. And I have learned a few things in this thread.Edited by ringo, : Added missong apostrophe. "Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
You neglected to remove the footnote reference (6) from wherever you copy-pasted your answer. Try saying it in your own words. Please explain how ToE (the theory that all life on earth evolved from a common ancestor via the mechanism of natural selection acting on mutations)⁶ has contributed to the development of flu vaccines."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
More likely there's a glitch in you. Maybe there's a glitch in the system. For future reference, failing to provide a citation for a quote is a lesser offense than lying about it. The cover-up is often worse than the original crime. Ask Nixon."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
And yet they don't. Actual YEC scientists, doing actual science, are Very few and very far between. Hypothetically, a YEC scientist could develop vaccines just as competently as a Darwinist scientist. Hypothetically, a flat-earther could go to the moon - but he'd have to use the actual science instead of the flat-earth nonsense. Similarly, a YEC could develop vaccines only by using actual science instead of YEC nonsense.
Dredge writes:
Every one. What sort of scientist claims to "know" something that he can't prove that he knows? No scientist needs to prove anything. You don't understand what knowledge is."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Insulin from cows and pigs. Why would their insulin work in us if we were not all related? I invite you to prove me wrong by providing an example of how the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor has contribted to the treatment of disease."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
He "knows how it works" if he can use it to make things work. For example, if he understands common ancestry, the relatedness of all life, he can find alternative sources of insulin - e.g. our cousins the cows and pigs. ... how can a scientist claim to "know how evolution works"? Knowledge works."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
No. We accuse him of being a troll because he ignores the responses to his trolling. He doesn't discuss; he just repeats his trolling. They accuse you of being a troll because you tease them and stick to your own definitions and understanding of know and truth."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
French has separate words for knowing something (savoir) and knowing somebody (connaitre).
Ask a believer if they *know* God. Phat writes:
I can know a lot about James Bond. That has nothing to do with whether or not he's real.
Then ask them if they know everything about God. Phat writes:
That's because religion is lazy thinking. We invented science because religion doesn't provide reliable conclusions. Science is very rigorous in paring down those 100% claims. Only religion insists on 100% claims."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
To "know" means to be pretty sure. Science has to be careful to never be too sure of anything. The classic example is Newtonian mechanics, which works pretty well most of the time. But we now know that quantum mechanics works better in some situations. If we used your concept of "knowing", we would never have gotten past Newton.
In future, whenever I hear a scientist claiming to "know" something, I will bear in mind that what he really means is, "I don't actually know ... but I'm pretty sure". Dredge writes:
There are a lot of things you're unaware of. You work too hard at being unaware.
I'm not aware of any dictionary that supports the "scientific definition" of that word. Dredge writes:
It is neither misleading nor unorthodox. Understanding the word "know" is directly linked to understanding the word "knowledge". If you made more of an effort to understand and wasted less time pontificating, you wouldn't be such a dimwit.
And I suppose it's safe to assume that the scientific interpretation of "knowledge" is as misleading and unorthodox as their use of "know". Dredge writes:
The law courts would work a lot better if they used a more practical meaning of "I know" and "I saw". A lot of people have been unjustly convicted because somebody "definitely saw" something - when they actually meant they were "pretty sure" of what they saw. I hope the law courts are aware that if a scientist takes the stand and says "I know the defendent stole my car", what he really means is, "I'm pretty sure the defendent stole my car"."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Exactly. ... who the hell cares what the dictionary says or how 99.99999% of the population interpret a word...?"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
And the cover-up continues. There was no citation. There was no cover-up."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Incidentally, French has a third word for that, reconnaître. I suppose Spanish, German, etc. do too. recognize I didn't read the rest of your quote. Stop doing that."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You don't know very far. Did some hill-billy teach you that "proof" means the same as "a theory supported by evidence"? As far as I know, there is no such teaching in science. But there wouldn't be anything in science about proof, would there? Because, y'know, science doesn't deal in proof."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
You tell me. Since YECs claim to know so much more about science than scientists do, why don't YECs develop vaccines? Why don't YECs produce ANYTHING useful? What "YEC nonsense" would prevent a YEC from developing vaccines?"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
But if we were not related, why would it? If we were not related, why would we even THINK it would work? Why didn't YECs think of it? The insulin will work in humans regardless of whether anyone thinks we're "related" to cows and pigs or not."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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