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Message 351 of 1429 (895827)
07-21-2022 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 343 by Dredge
07-21-2022 5:05 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
... therefore your science is irrelevant....
When your conclusion is nonsensical, either your premises are false or your reasoning is fallacious. Or both.
And your conclusion is obviously nonsensical. Our science cures diseases and puts men on the moon. No sensible person would call it irrelevant.

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Message 352 of 1429 (895828)
07-21-2022 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 347 by Dredge
07-21-2022 10:15 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Every Darwinist believes ToE is a fact - that why they're called Darwinists.
They're only called Darwinists by idiots.

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ringo
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Message 355 of 1429 (895831)
07-21-2022 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Dredge
07-21-2022 12:30 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
A Darwinist is someone who believes that the history of life on earth proceeded according to ToE, which is based on the theory proposed by Charles Darwin.
Someone who understands that the history of life on earth proceeded according to ToE is called a sensible person, an intelligent person, a science-minded person, a realist. We don't call ourselves Darwinists or Newtonists or Einsteinists.
Dredge writes:
So "Darwinist" is a rational and apt moniker, I should think.
You should think but you don't. You have admitted your own lack of intelligence.

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-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Message 410 of 1429 (896029)
07-29-2022 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 407 by Dredge
07-29-2022 10:38 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record, therefore you can't claim to know how evolution works.
Non sequitur.
Translation: It does not follow.
You're confused about tenses. We may not have direct knowledge of exactly how a certain transition did happen historically (past tense). That does not prevent us from knowing how it does happen (present tense) when we see it happening.
We have no reason to think it might have happened differently in the past.

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ringo
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Message 437 of 1429 (896081)
07-31-2022 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 417 by Dredge
07-30-2022 11:31 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Thank you for admitting that your quasi-religious beliefs are based on faith and not on facts.
Science is based on evidence and not on "proof". That's the opposite of religion.

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-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 438 of 1429 (896082)
07-31-2022 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 421 by Dredge
07-30-2022 3:13 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
Prove it. You can't.
Nor do we want to. "Proof" doesn't enter into it. You might as well say we can't make ice cream out of it.
Dredge writes:
All you can do it is recite Darwinist folklore and mindlessly claim it's factual.
You have already admitted that you are unintelligent - i.e. that you are mindless. Why would you be the one who can distinguish fact from folklore?

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ringo
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Message 439 of 1429 (896083)
07-31-2022 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 423 by Dredge
07-30-2022 3:40 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
... he argues that ToE can't account for what is observed.
That's not what you've been saying. Your claim is that we "can't know", not that we can't account for it.
We can account for it to everybody's satisfaction but yours - and yours doesn't count because you're an admitted idiot.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 440 of 1429 (896084)
07-31-2022 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 433 by Dredge
07-31-2022 1:27 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Even if ToE is an accurate description of the process that shaped the history of life on earth, no one will ever know, because no one can prove that it is.
You don't uderstand what knowlege is. It isn't about "proof". It's about what works.
As long as you keep talking about proof, you're just making yourself look stupid.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 466 of 1429 (896127)
08-01-2022 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 460 by Dredge
07-31-2022 4:25 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
ringo writes:
Facts aren't much good without an explanation.
Hilarious.
Explain the joke. Why are you the only one laughing?

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-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 467 of 1429 (896128)
08-01-2022 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 459 by Dredge
07-31-2022 4:06 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
You don't know that whales evolved according to ToE.
YOU don't know what knowledge means.
You made a huge strategic error when you admitted how stupid you are. Now nothing you say can be taken seriously.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 468 of 1429 (896129)
08-01-2022 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 458 by Dredge
07-31-2022 4:03 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
It's a demonstrable fact that millions of folks believe that ToE is a fact - you're one of them.
Then why can't you demonstrate it? Give us millions of examples.
It IS a lie. And you have demonstrated that you're too stupid to tell a lie from the truth.
Dredge writes:
You don't know how even one evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record happened!
You don't understand what knowledge is, so you're in no position to make that claim.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 469 of 1429 (896130)
08-01-2022 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 457 by Dredge
07-31-2022 3:55 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
All you can know from fossils is that "evolution" happened. The fossils don't let you know HOW "evolution" happened.
By your misunderstanding of knowledge, it would be impossible to know anything. Just because YOU know nothing, you idiot, it doesn't mean that nobody knows anything.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Message 470 of 1429 (896131)
08-01-2022 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 454 by Dredge
07-31-2022 12:51 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
... it's pretty safe to assume that someone with an IQ of 9 is already stupid.
And yet you presume to tell other people what they know.
Dredge writes:
... you don't want to talk about proof because you know full well that you can't prove that ToE describes the process that shaped the history of life on earth.
We don't want to talk about proof because science doesn't deal in proof. Science doesn't prove anything, not evolution, not gravity, not the shape of the earth.
YOU, on the other hand, want to talk about proof because you're too stupid to unerstand the first thing about science.
Dredge writes:
Your mind doesn't want to venture outside it's safe and warm little bubble of Darwinist belief.
What the hell would you know about minds?

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-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 471 of 1429 (896132)
08-01-2022 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 453 by Dredge
07-31-2022 12:44 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
I was referring to Bechly's argument, not mine.
And your argument is even worse than Bechly's.

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-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 472 of 1429 (896133)
08-01-2022 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by Dredge
07-31-2022 12:40 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
I said I have an IQ of 9 and that therefore I qualify as an idiot ... an idiot is not "mindless".
For practical purposes, you are mindless. You have demonstrated repeatedly that you are incapable of using the few IQ poits that you do have.
Dredge writes:
... sometimes even an idiot gets it right.
Give examples.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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