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Author Topic:   Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals
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Message 67 of 1408 (892690)
03-12-2022 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by dwise1
03-10-2022 3:25 PM


Re: Finally, we are going get the real deal
dwise1 writes:
Guess that's why, while most people practice until they get it right, MDs have to always practice because they can never get it right.
My dad was a carpenter. Once, when he was finishing a doctor's basement, the doctor said to him, "You're lucky. You can just cover up your mistakes."
Dad replied, "I guess you have to bury yours."

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 120 of 1408 (894825)
05-30-2022 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Dredge
05-29-2022 9:32 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
please describe how a whale's blowhole evolved.
It's a nostril. Not very mysterious.
Dredge writes:
Describe the steps involved...
1. It moved.
Dredge writes:
... and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced each of those steps.
When you live in the water, it's more efficient to breathe through the top of your head instead of the front of your face. Transitionals with their nostrils closer to the surface had a better chance of survival - they didn't have to stand on their tails to breathe. (Maybe that infamous "vertical whale" had his fatal accident while taking a breath.)
Fun fact: Baleen whales have two blowholes - i.e. nostrils. Are you puzzled about how two nostrils evolved into one in toothed whales?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 121 of 1408 (894827)
05-30-2022 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Dredge
05-29-2022 9:56 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
... but what a pity no one can prove that known micro-evolutionary mechanisms are responsible for producing the macro-evolutionary transitions evident in the fossil record.
And nobody can prove that micro-walking can take you macro-distances? Yawn.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 122 of 1408 (894828)
05-30-2022 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Dredge
05-30-2022 7:31 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
How could anyone know how to produce eukaryotes from prokaryotes without actually doing it?
I know how to swim the Atlantic. Doesn't mean I can do it.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 141 of 1408 (894905)
06-01-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Dredge
06-01-2022 10:09 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
please describe how a whale's blowhole evolved. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced each of those steps.
See Message 120.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 153 of 1408 (894943)
06-03-2022 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Dredge
06-03-2022 8:05 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Your reply strongly suggests that you cannot describe the process involved in the evolution of novel body plans and organs....
I did describe it. If there's something you don't understand, ask questions. Don't just assume that everybody else is a dim-witted as you.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 155 of 1408 (894947)
06-03-2022 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Dredge
06-03-2022 12:00 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
... and yet no one can describe the process involved in the evolution of even one novel organ or body plan.
Message 120
Don't just deny, deny, deny. Discuss. What do you not understand?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 166 of 1408 (894969)
06-03-2022 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Dredge
06-03-2022 3:45 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
But it's impossible for anyone to describe any such process....
Message 120

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 171 of 1408 (894979)
06-04-2022 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Dredge
06-04-2022 12:54 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
You keep trying to steer the discussion....
You keep trying to avoid discussion. Message 120
I'm not going anywhere. You can run but you can't hide.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 197 of 1408 (895305)
06-21-2022 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by Dredge
06-21-2022 9:34 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
Your reluctance to discuss HOW novel body plans and organs evolve is perfectly understandable - why would you want to discuss things you know nothing about?
Message 120

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 198 of 1408 (895306)
06-21-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Dredge
06-21-2022 11:23 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
Try as it might, not even decades of unrelenting Darwinist propaganda can turn a theory into a fact - ie, knowledge.
A theory is an explanation of a fact. So no, a theory doesn't "become" a fact. Never has, never will. Nobody but an illiterate anti-science dimwit would ever suggest that a theory "turns into" a fact.
But evolution is a fact. And the theory of Evolution is an explanation of that fact.
The theory of Evolution is the best explanation we have for the fact of evolution. In fact, it's the only theory. If you illiterate anti-science goobers could come up with an alternative theory, you might have a chance of defeating evolution.
Dredge writes:
Take an organism and evolve a novel body plan or organ from it - then I will accept that you know how evolution works.
Message 120

Edited by ringo, : Added last paragraph.


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 209 of 1408 (895320)
06-21-2022 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Dredge
06-21-2022 4:55 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
Can you describe the step-by-step process involved in the (alleged) evolution of a whale's blowhole or tail?
Message 120

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 210 of 1408 (895321)
06-21-2022 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Dredge
06-21-2022 3:20 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
What am I denying?
You're denying that we know how evolution works. I have explained the whale's blowhole in Message 120 and I have linked to that message several times but you just keep repeating the same lie.
DISCUSS.
If you don't understand, ASK.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 215 of 1408 (895330)
06-22-2022 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Dredge
06-22-2022 12:14 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
All the examples you offer are readily observable and repeatable ... unlike the (alleged) evolution of eurkaryotes from prokaryotes.
If somebody DID propose a plausible mechanism and they DID test it observably and repeatably in the lab, would you accept that? Or would you say we don't know whether the method was what DID happen historically?
Your profile calls you a Darwinism skeptic but I don't think you know what skepticism actually means.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 221 of 1408 (895336)
06-22-2022 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Dredge
06-22-2022 1:37 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
You forgot to mention the next step that you and your fellow Darwinists take in the name of science - the theory (of evolution) then becomes a fact....
No it doesn't - and nobody claims it does. The theory is an explanation of the fact.
Dredge writes:
... based on faith ...
No it isn't. If there was any faith involved, there wouldn't be people from all faiths who accept the science.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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