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ringo
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Message 474 of 1429 (896135)
08-01-2022 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 450 by Dredge
07-31-2022 12:28 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
... if science can't prove that ToE describes the process responsible for producing the fossil record, then science can't claim to know how evolution works.
You're confusing knowledge with proof. Wrong again.
You should just stop using the words "proof" and "know", since you have no idea what you're talking about.

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-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 481 of 1429 (896168)
08-02-2022 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 478 by Dredge
08-02-2022 3:52 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
No one will ever be able to prove...
Stop saying "prove". It just makes you look stupid.
Dredge writes:
... so only an idiot (or a Darwinist) would claim that ToE is "knowledge".
And stop saying "Darwinist". It just makes you look stupid.
ToE definitely IS knowledge. Biology makes no sense without evolution.
And an idiot like you calling somebody else an idiot just demonstrates that you're an idiot.

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-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Message 482 of 1429 (896169)
08-02-2022 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 477 by Dredge
08-02-2022 1:29 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
This hypothesis is as bonkers as that fairy tale about whales evolution.
In what way is a moving nostril bonkers? We see humans with nostrils in different positions. What's so hard to understand about a survival advantage being passed on from generation to generation?
Be specific.

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ringo
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Message 527 of 1429 (896231)
08-03-2022 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 508 by Dredge
08-03-2022 8:12 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Phat writes:
A shameful example of contextomy.
Explain.

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-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 529 of 1429 (896233)
08-03-2022 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by Dredge
08-02-2022 6:35 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
Even the village idiot knows...
But he's smarter than you.
Dredge writes:
... that no one will ever be able to prove...
Stop saying "prove".
Dredge writes:
Who's being arrogant now?
What's arrogant about refusing to accept the pronouncements of a fool like you?
Dredge writes:
You must be confusing me with someone else ... I never made that claim.
You certainly did. You have claimed repeatedly in this thread that "nobody can know x". I'm saying that YOU can not know what other people can know.
Dredge writes:
A theory is not knowledge...
Yes it is - and you are in no position to pontificate about it, idiot.
Dredge writes:
... it's just an idea that descibes a possibility.
It's the BEST description and explanation available. And that's the only kind of knowledge we have about anything.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 530 of 1429 (896234)
08-03-2022 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 500 by Dredge
08-03-2022 4:36 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Please be advised that ToE is neither a fact and nor is it knowledge.
Why on earth would we be advised by an idiot?
YOU should be advised that your admission of being unintelligent makes everything you say irrelevant.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 539 of 1429 (896247)
08-03-2022 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 533 by Dredge
08-03-2022 2:44 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
In Message 343 I made the point that using science to explain evolutionary transitions in the fossil record is pointless unless the explanation can be proven to be correct ...
And that point has been refuted six ways from Sunday.
Dredge writes:
... in other words, without that proof, using science in that context is irrelevant.
And you've also been told six ways from Sunday that science has nothing to do with proof.
Dredge writes:
But you've ignored the context and taken the words "science is irrelevant" to make the absurd claim in Message 351 that I think all science is irrelevant.
It's clear that you do think all science is irrelevant because you continue to talk about "proof" and you refuse to learn anything about science.
Dredge writes:
Why did you do that?
Because some poor innocent person who only got the Internet yesterday might think we don't know how to deal with assholes like you. As long as you continue to post rubbish, somebody has to clean it up.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 555 of 1429 (896282)
08-04-2022 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by Dredge
08-04-2022 7:05 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
Have you noticed that the whales' mythical "vestigial pelvis" is located nowhere near the spjne?
I explained the blowhole to you in Message 120. The vestigial hindquarters are no different. Since there is no longer a need for them to be near the spine, there is no longer a need for them to be near the spine.
Do you even know what "vestigial" means?
Dredge writes:
"although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:21-22)
Describes you pretty well.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 557 of 1429 (896285)
08-04-2022 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 556 by dwise1
08-04-2022 12:35 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
dwise1 writes:
... no creationist has ever attempted to answer that simple necessary question.
And yet they think all of their questions are unanswerable.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 567 of 1429 (896301)
08-05-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 563 by Dredge
08-05-2022 8:21 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Many forms of science are relevant and are demonstrably proven correct ...
Stop saying "proven". Science has nothing to do with proof. There is no place for the words "proof", "prove" or "proven" in this topic. Why don't you try to make your point without mentioning proof at all?
And all forms of science are interlinked, so you can't cherry-pick which ones are relevant and which ones are not. If evolution is wrong, then so is gravity.
Dredge writes:
ToE, on the other hand, is nothing more than a useless, irrelevant story that cannot be proven to be correct.
Stop saying "proven". Science doesn't need to prove anything because science does not deal in proof. It deals in what works.
And ToE works. We actually know more about ToE than we know about ToG. ToE is one of the most rigorously tested and robust theories we have.
Dredge writes:
No one ever cured or treated disease with the theory that humans evolved from fish.
Nonsense. How evolutionary principles improve the understanding of human health and disease
You could have Googled that yourself.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 568 of 1429 (896302)
08-05-2022 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 562 by Dredge
08-05-2022 7:46 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
Stop talking like a dunce.
You're a self-admitted dunce. Where do you get off calling anybody else a dunce? You wouldn't know a dunce if one sat down beside you in church.
Dregge writes:
An description or explanation isn't knowledge until it's been proven to be correct.
Nonsense. Learn something.
Dredge writes:
So ToE isn't knowledge because it can't be proven to be correct.
Science doesn't deal in proof. Science deals in what works and ToE works - it corresponds with what we observe in the real world.
Dredge writes:
(Oh no ... I've used that word again (twice!) .. the one that craps on your fairy-tale science
See, there you go again calling science a fairy tale.
And how arrogant can you get, thinking you can refute science?

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 569 of 1429 (896305)
08-05-2022 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 561 by Dredge
08-05-2022 7:40 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
ringo writes:
Stop saying "prove".
Darwinists don't like that word, do they?
On the contrary, it's a perfectly good word, like "chocolate".
What we don't like is you using it wrong. Talking about proof in science is meaningless. You might as well try to refute science by saying it doesn't have enough chocolate.
And we don't like the fact that you aggressively refuse to learn anything.
Ignorance is normal. Everybody is ignorant of something. Nobody can know everything. But ignorance is curable.
Willful ignorance is shameful. To ignore the knowledge that is there and to deny that it is there is almost as low as a human can sink. But your fierce ignorance is even worse. You refuse to learn even when people try to help you.
Dredge writes:
ringo writes:
You have claimed repeatedly in this thread that "nobody can know x".
Liar.
Are you aware that everything you have said here is readily available for anybody to see?
Your own words prove that YOU are the liar - your second message in this thread:
quote
no one can claim to know how abiogenesis occurred ... Message 96
x = how abiogenesis occurred
QED
(And that is a correct usage of the word "prove".)

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-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 570 of 1429 (896306)
08-05-2022 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 560 by dwise1
08-04-2022 1:33 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
dwise1 writes:
Of course, I'm more familiar with human anatomy, so I'd like to hear from someone familiar with the pelvic anatomy of other animals. Though the story should till be somewhat the same (except possibly for the necessity of expanding the pelvis during birthing).
That would be interesting. How DO whales give birth, if not through the pelvis? And what about other animals?
I saw on TV the other day that male bearded dragons have two hemi-penises. I also learned years ago that some male marsupials have two penises and the females have a forked vagina. The world is so much more interesting when you're not Dredge.

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-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 599 of 1429 (896362)
08-07-2022 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 574 by Dredge
08-05-2022 7:39 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
None of the useful "evolutionary principles" described in that paper include the theory that humans evolved from fish.
Nor does ToE. Humans and fish evolved from a common ancestor. The Smiths and the McDonalds descended from a common ancester too but nobody thinks all Smiths descended from McDonalds.

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-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 601 of 1429 (896364)
08-07-2022 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 573 by Dredge
08-05-2022 7:17 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
I hope you're not thinking of giving up your day-job to become a rational thinker.
I already gave up my day job when I retired. And I became a rational thinker (with occasional lapses) decades before that.
The core of rational thinking is reasoning. You need to provide reasons for your conclusions, which you never do.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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