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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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Dredge writes: It's a serious question. How can a scientist claim to "know how evolution works" if science doesn't prove anything? Same way most people can claim to "know how to drive from Canada to Mexico" without needing to prove they've done it before in the past.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Are you a troll or an idiot?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
He "knows how it works" if he can use it to make things work. For example, if he understands common ancestry, the relatedness of all life, he can find alternative sources of insulin - e.g. our cousins the cows and pigs. ... how can a scientist claim to "know how evolution works"? Knowledge works."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
No. We accuse him of being a troll because he ignores the responses to his trolling. He doesn't discuss; he just repeats his trolling. They accuse you of being a troll because you tease them and stick to your own definitions and understanding of know and truth."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
French has separate words for knowing something (savoir) and knowing somebody (connaitre).
Ask a believer if they *know* God. Phat writes:
I can know a lot about James Bond. That has nothing to do with whether or not he's real.
Then ask them if they know everything about God. Phat writes:
That's because religion is lazy thinking. We invented science because religion doesn't provide reliable conclusions. Science is very rigorous in paring down those 100% claims. Only religion insists on 100% claims."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Are you a troll or an idiot? Are those my only choices?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Spanish also has multiple words for to know. Saber y Conocer.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
If it walks like a duck.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Und bei Deutsch gibt's drei:
Können is also the modal verb for being able to do something as in the English "can". So "Do you know German?" would be "Kannst du Deutsch?" Somehow I seem to recall that French or Spanish would use "savoir" or "saber" respectively for knowing a language or how to do something, but I'm somewhat rusty on that point.
However, kennen can also be used for a language as in the well-known adage: quote
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
vimesey writes:
Who's conning whom? In future, whenever I hear a scientist claiming to "know" something, I will bear in mind that what he really means is, "I don't actually know ... but I'm pretty sure". I'm not aware of any dictionary that supports the "scientific definition" of that word. When we say scientists know something, we are not saying they've proved it - we are saying they have mountains of evidence to demonstrate the validity of the relevant hypotheses. You have nothing other than a conman's word games. And I suppose it's safe to assume that the scientific interpretation of "knowledge" is as misleading and unorthodox as their use of "know". I hope the law courts are aware that if a scientist takes the stand and says "I know the defendent stole my car", what he really means is, "I'm pretty sure the defendent stole my car".
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Troll
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Here's one dictionary definition of "know":to perceive or understand as fact or truth; to apprehend clearly and with certainty nwr writes:
To a scientist it must look like a terrible definition! That's a poor definition of "know". I mean, words like "fact ... truth ... certainty" are a world away from the scientific definition of "know" - which is something like "I"m pretty sure I know" or "I think I know" or "according to my theory".
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I mean, words like "fact ... truth ... certainty" are a world away from the scientific definition of "know" I doubt that there is a scientific definition of "know". Scientists do talk of facts and truth. The facts are their data, not their theories. But they can know their theories in the sense of being very familiar with them. Ordinary language mostly isn't based on dictionary definitions.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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