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Message 9 of 1218 (891968)
02-18-2022 5:09 PM


Promote, please
Is he or isn't he?
Maybe a kid stepping up to slay the dragon. Let's find out. It may ultimately be maddining, ehh, most probably will end up maddening, from the absolute unresponsiveness and imperviousness to logic. But, maybe this one will put some intellect behind their musings. Or at least some humor.
Take a chance. Go for it.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

  
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Message 11 of 1218 (891970)
02-18-2022 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Taq
02-18-2022 5:12 PM


When someone fails to understand that the majority of species on Earth are asexual, where can you really go from there?
Does he believe this? How strongly?
Is it possible he could be honestly ignorant? And willing to talk?
Might it be interesting to find out?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 23 of 1218 (892002)
02-19-2022 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Minnemooseus
02-19-2022 8:46 PM


Hi BSCUTTER21
Moose, You know I love you, but, the big brother thing isn't a good look. Part of the fun of finding a new friend is finding out who, and what, they are. Give him room and not too much hassle and let another personality bloom in the fertile grou....
Hey, BSCUTTER21. You don't have a thread of your own, yet, but there is nothing in the grand design of the universe to keep you from dropping in here if you would like.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 28 of 1218 (892013)
02-20-2022 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Tanypteryx
02-20-2022 12:07 PM


Re: Another Fly in the Ointment
Yep, in the Information Age with a world wide internet it is so amazing that someone like you could discover the topic of intelligence, it's surprising, shocking even.
I think you misunderstand. The concept of intelligence was not his discovery. Intelligence itself was. There was no intelligence before Mr. ID found it. But he had to open the damn box, it got out and spread everywhere, even dolphins. Missed republicans, though.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 54 of 1218 (892590)
03-10-2022 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by nwr
03-10-2022 8:58 PM


Unholy Crap!
Maybe we should wait till he adds his summary and Admin promotes it to a debatable topic.
The entertainment value would go up a bit. Though responses from MrID in the past don't bode so well for this time around either. We'll see.
I just hope no one is expecting anything other than amusement. I mean, no one round these parts and beyond is expecting any great revelation from this theater, are they?
Is there anyone within the sound of these electrons who has any hope of an actual revelation from MrID of such advanced majikal hidden knowledge?
Hey Peanut Gallery? Y'all in Lurkersville. Anyone believing any of this?
Honestly. Anyone?
Edited by AZPaul3, : title

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Message 86 of 1218 (893251)
04-02-2022 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Tanypteryx
04-02-2022 1:05 PM


Re: MrID's Latest Crash and Burn
The boy cannot explain. And I don't see this as any language or cultural stop but an intellectual one. I seriously do not think he understands his own proposal.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 101 of 1218 (894705)
05-27-2022 3:02 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Dredge
05-27-2022 12:58 AM


Dredge Doesn't Think
These are probably the same scientists who claim to know how evolution works, but couldn't describe how any macro-evolutionary transition in the fossil record even got to first base.
This is one of the things you keep missing. You conveniently overlook the facts.
Yes, we know how macro-evolution works. We can describe in detail how macro-evolutionary transition in the fossil record got to first base and then rounded to home. First base is micro-evolution. In fact all the bases are micro-evolution. Can you really be so mind-numbing dumb you can’t see how the accumulation of small incremental changes leads to large differences?
When growing up did you record, document, each millimeter of your micro growth? Of course not. You didn’t even notice. But after years of this incremental change what you do see is that you finally reach over 5 feet. A macro achievement. Congratulations, Shorty.
Mother Nature can be a bit shy when she is courted. You have to give her micro-evolution. Lots and lots of micro-evolution. Give Gaia enough micro-evolution and she will give you a new species, even a new genus, in return.
Your inability to comprehend that macro is nothing more than the accumulation of micro is another symptom of your deep mental deficiencies that listens to illusion and shows you visions of specters, phantasms of your disturbed mind. Seek professional psychiatric help before you get “that” message in your head and you go off to kill a bunch of kids in a school.
But as for knowing how evolution produced life on earth, that cannot ever be known ... which means no one can ever claim to know how evolution works.
Evolution did not produce the initial life system of this planet. It did, however, produce the full range and abundance of life that presently exists and it did that using the life system developed by abiogenesis.
In none of this is there any kind of god. Again the demented human mind conjures its fantasies. You hear the voices of your invisible masters and see the visions of ghosts giving you dire warnings. You are one sick puppy. Register with the police and for god sake stay away from guns.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 114 of 1218 (894808)
05-30-2022 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Dredge
05-30-2022 3:59 AM


10 Point IQ Fails Again.
In that case, please describe how a whale's blowhole evolved.
Please describe how birds evolved from reptiles.
Please describe how amphibians evolved from fish.
The answers have already been given to you and the evidence is available all across the net for those willing to learn. With a 10 point IQ, however, I’m thinking you would not comprehend the data so it’s no use trying to teach you.
But did you know that reciting a theory doesn't demonstrate that that you know anything, much less know what happened millions of years ago?
That’s your 10 pt IQ showing again. Working the theory …
[aside]
“theory” as in real scientific theory, not the pull-it-out-your-ass kinda theory creation weenies use to obfuscate the reality.
[/aside]
Working the theory is, in fact, knowing what and how it happened. Again, your 10 pt. intellect will not comprehend.
That's pretty deep. I'll have to give it some thought.
Don’t strain yourself.
and for god sake stay away from guns.
For god's sake? Which one?
Yours.

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Message 115 of 1218 (894809)
05-30-2022 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Dredge
05-30-2022 4:25 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Please explain how you can claim to know "pretty well" how evolution works, if you can't describe how any macro-evolutionary transition in the fossil record proceeded?
Johnny one note.
You have already been told. The macro development of anything is the result of millions of generations of micro.
But, as a stupid sham of a debate tactic, you want to claim that if we haven't each detail of each molecule then the theory falls apart.
No, idiot. A scientific theory like ToE becomes the searchlight and describes how any macro-evolutionary transition in the fossil record proceeded. Not in molecular detail but in enough detail to see natures workings.
But you gotta work at understanding the theory properly first. Something your 10 pt intellect struggles with.

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Message 117 of 1218 (894811)
05-30-2022 7:37 AM
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05-30-2022 3:59 AM


Redundedundedundant
As dumb as I am ( my IQ is less than 10) ...
You don't need to keep repeating this. We understood this when you first said you were catholic.

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Message 129 of 1218 (894874)
05-31-2022 12:51 PM
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05-31-2022 12:18 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
The only real question is how long you'll persist in pretending an inability to think rationally. Nobody's this dumb.
Uhhh, he does say he's catholic. Really not unlikely that he is as dumb as he sounds. He seems willing to wear that moniker in defence of this stupidity. How dumb is that?

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Message 160 of 1218 (894953)
06-03-2022 1:31 PM
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06-03-2022 12:00 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge:
and yet no one can describe the process involved in the evolution of even one novel organ or body plan.
Dredge:
It presents evidence of certain evolution transitions, but doesn't mention one word about HOW nature actually produced any of those transitions.
Do you doubt that it happened? Based on what? Based on how bad your tummy feels when you think on it too hard?

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Message 173 of 1218 (894987)
06-04-2022 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Dredge
06-04-2022 12:54 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
You know no one can describe HOW novel body plans and organs actually evolve, but you can't bring yourself to admit it.
Of course we know the how of the changes in evolution. You don’t care to acknowledge them without the details of trillions of exact schematics of past change. Fuck you.
The how of novel critters starts in the genome. The proteins that make everything and make them in exact detail are created by transcribing the genome. Every novelty starts with differences in the specific chemical alignment of billions of molecules in 20,000 +- genes, the genome that models the critter. Any change in sequence is either passed to offspring or not. The most minor chemical change can have major effects with other changes and other chemicals in the resultant critter.
There are entire libraries of the How these chemicals work, How the genome changes, How it operates with very specific details on exactly what molecules do to what molecules to make new molecules in exact specific detail. The result of accumulated changes over thousands, tens of thousands, millions of generations is evolution.
So this is the How. You want finer details of any step just ask. We can get into beneficial vs neutral vs deleterious. We can get into insertions, SNIPs and polymorphisms. We can get into environment, fitness and natural selection.
So. No more of your BS obfuscation. You know the how. You can no longer say different.

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Message 174 of 1218 (894989)
06-04-2022 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Dredge
06-04-2022 12:54 PM


Liver, Hold the Onions.
Since we’re on the subject, have you looked into the evolution of the liver? I mean a real deep dive into the paleontology. I think you might be surprised at how far back that function can be traced.
I know, I know, we don’t have an unending trace of every amino change in every gene in every generation from 800 million years to the present. In your dishonest intellect that means evolution fails. So, fuck you.

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Message 176 of 1218 (895001)
06-05-2022 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by marc9000
06-05-2022 3:54 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
​It's not possible for science to seek answers in a methodical way for its many assumptions that are forever inaccessible.
Of course it's possible. It has been done. Your intellect is too limited to see how.
What guides us is not what is missing but what we see. It doesn't matter that 99.44% +- of all history is lost to us. In the hundreds of millions of fossils we do have we can see a clear and consistent evolution.
The fossils we have give us ToE. And every new find reinforces that theory. If you want to fight the ToE then you have fight the fossils we do have, not your twisted rendition of what doesn't exist anymore.
If we never see what is hidden in the past it makes no difference. We have entire universities and libraries full of what we do know and that is an overwhelming case for evolution.
And you mock Christianity for believing in magic and imaginary?
Yep. The difference which you so blithely ignore is that the big bang is grounded in observations and the logical extensions of those observations.
Your cult is just pure fantasy. No facts. No logic. No base. All pure make believe.
I know. You don't care for the efficacy of observation and you certainly don't believe in math. Facts that dispute your god fantasies cannot be acknowledged no matter how real.
What scares me is how publicly funded school science classes tell their captive audience school children that evolution and atheism have absolutely no connection to each other ...
The only connection is in the mind of the butt hurt christian losing psychological and political control over the society. You're no longer in control of the classroom agenda and it pisses you off bad.
Good. Be scared. Think of the last 200 years of religious loss. Think what we're going to do to you in the next 200.
But it doesn't scare me too much, most kids are smart enough to see through that lie.
Give a 16 year old a bible to read and you have made an atheist for life.

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