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ringo
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Message 243 of 1429 (895376)
06-24-2022 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by Dredge
06-23-2022 3:34 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
In fact, I don't accept any scientific explanation for the fossil record, because it's impossible to know what process was responsible ...
You're condemning yourself to eternal ignorance.
Why would you demand an absolute explanation and ignore the plausible explanation - i.e. an explanation that explains the evidence? Geologists use plausible explanations to find valuable minerals. They don't need to have been there to see the deposits form. They don't need an absolute explanation.
Dredge writes:
... hence my contention that anyone who claims to know how evolution works is talking nonsense.
And hence everybody else's contention that YOU are talking nonsense.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 244 of 1429 (895377)
06-24-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by Dredge
06-23-2022 4:26 PM


Dredge writes:
The late science historian and atheist, Dr. William Provine, said,
"Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented".​
According to you he was talking complete crap.
Yup.
He was wrong.
It's no disgrace to be wrong. Everybody is wrong once in a while. It's possible that Provine contributed something to society despite being so dreadfully wrong about one thing.
The greatest engine of atheism ever invented is thinking. Anybody who thinks is likely to be an atheist.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 245 of 1429 (895379)
06-24-2022 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by Dredge
06-23-2022 11:11 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
... you have so much knowledge about evolution that you can't describe how even one evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record happened.
Why don't you stop repeating the same lie and respond to Message 120?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 260 of 1429 (895426)
06-26-2022 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by AZPaul3
06-26-2022 5:22 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Please describe how the "mechanisms behind evolution" produced a whale's blowhole and tail from the morphology of a land mammal.
Message 120
Stop repeating the question and respond to the answer.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 273 of 1429 (895593)
07-07-2022 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by Dredge
07-05-2022 11:59 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
2. You don't know how evolutionary mechanisms produce a whale's blowhole and tail from a land animal.
Stop lying. Respond to Message 120.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 298 of 1429 (895695)
07-11-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Dredge
07-09-2022 9:55 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
You have no way of confirming that a whale's nostrils evolved from the nosrils of a land mammal and you have no way of confirming any process that might be responsible ...
We have transitional fossils.
Suppose you take a trip from New York to San Francisco. You take a selfie at the Statue of Liberty. You take a selfie at the Gateway Arch in St. Louis. You take a selfie at the Grand Canyon. And you take a selfie at the Golden Gate Bridge.
We may not know the exact route that you took between those landmarks but we do know that you went from New York to San Francisco. Our knowledge is confirmed by the evidence of your snapshots.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 299 of 1429 (895696)
07-11-2022 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Dredge
07-09-2022 10:25 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
... yet there are millions of Darwinists out there who believe the theory of evolution is also a fact.
That's a creationist lie.
First, I don't give a flying fuck about "Darwinists". I have never met a "Darwinist".
Second, people who accept science know (not believe) that evolution is a fact and they also know that the theory of evolution explains that fact. Similarly, gravity is a fact and the theory of gravity explains that fact. (Mind you, the theory of gravity is nowhere near as robust as the theory of evolution.
Only creationists are confused about the difference between a theory and a fact. And you insist on staying confused no matter how many times it's explained to you. There comes a point when feigned "confusion" becomes dishonesty.
Dredge writes:
What "evolution" are you referring to?
Biological evolution. What's confusing about that?
Dredge writes:
As for being "anti-science" ... not me.
You certainly are.
Evolution is the soundest science we have.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 300 of 1429 (895697)
07-11-2022 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by Dredge
07-09-2022 11:04 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
Your refusal to describe how evolution happened means you don't know how evolution happened.
No refusal. See Message 120.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 301 of 1429 (895699)
07-11-2022 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by Dredge
07-10-2022 12:34 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
I said it's delusional to equate the theory of evolution with knowledge (aka fact).
Knowledge and fact are not the same thing. Knowledge is made up of facts and theories. Facts aren't much good without an explanation.
And nobody but you is equating fact with theory.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 302 of 1429 (895700)
07-11-2022 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Dredge
07-10-2022 12:51 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
You can't describe the step-by-step process of even one evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record ... which means you can't claim to know how evolution works.
See Message 120. Stop lying. Discuss.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 311 of 1429 (895781)
07-19-2022 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Dredge
07-18-2022 5:35 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
... that's exactly what we see when we employ Darwinist methodology - ie, cherry-pick the data, ignoring anything contradictory.
You don't know anything about Darwin, do you?

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 320 of 1429 (895790)
07-19-2022 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 316 by Dredge
07-19-2022 1:05 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
I accept that some things cannot ever be known and will forever remain a mystery.
You're very arrogant to think that you can tell WHAT things can not ever be known.
Dredge writes:
Speaking of "eternal ignorance", you have no way of ever knowing if your explanation for what produced the history of life on earth is correct or not.
On the contrary, I do NOT accept your idea that some things can not ever be known. And I do NOT accept the claim that YOU know what they are.
And I do NOT accept your idea of what "correct" means. When I say we "know" something, I refer to the best current knowledge that we have, not some voodoo absolute knowledge that only you can get from your made-up gods. What we know, science can always change.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 333 of 1429 (895806)
07-20-2022 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 321 by Dredge
07-19-2022 1:25 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
How did the two hind-legs of a land animal evolve into the tail of a whale?
They didn't. Some whales still have vestigial hind legs. The tail evolved from a tail.
How can you dare to question evolution when you don't even know the basics?

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 334 of 1429 (895807)
07-20-2022 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 332 by Dredge
07-20-2022 10:25 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
That is why I have marked your paper, "F" (for "fail").
Nobody cares what you think. You are in no way qualified to mark anybody's paper. You are (by your own admission) the dumbest kid in the class, who can't even spell his own name right at the top of his paper.
And you don't even understand how laughable your blathering is.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 350 of 1429 (895826)
07-21-2022 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 341 by Dredge
07-21-2022 12:54 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
All creationists are evil.
No. Some of them are just stupid.
Dredge writes:
... evil people - such as creationists - are products of evilution.
Evil people are often products of religion.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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