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Message 20 of 1408 (891984)
02-19-2022 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by dwise1
02-19-2022 12:08 PM


Re: parthenogenesis!!
dwise1 writes:
...Such that even though all her offspring are clones of her, some of them could change to male before hatching....
everybody knows males are just genetic defects of the X chromosome. One of the legs of the X broke off and became a Y.

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Message 25 of 1408 (892004)
02-19-2022 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by jar
02-18-2022 5:56 PM


Re: shades of Officer Krupke
sorry, Jar, but I have to::::
Jar writes:
So much of modern evangelical fundamentalist conservative Christianity is depraved on account of ... they ...been deprived
"Hey, he's depraved on account of being deprived! Gee, Officer Krupke, you're really a square -
[DIESEL (as Judge), spoken]
Hear ye, hear ye! In the opinion on this court, this child is depraved on account he ain't had a normal home
[RIFF, spoken]
Hey, I'm depraved on account I'm deprived
[DIESEL, spoken]
So take him to a headshrinker
[RIFF]
My father is a bastard
My ma's an S.O.B
My grandpa's always plastered
My grandma pushes tea
My sister wears a mustache
My brother wears a dress
Goodness gracious, that's why I'm a mess!

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Message 49 of 1408 (892581)
03-10-2022 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Tangle
03-10-2022 5:24 PM


Re: Tangle's sig
Tangle closes each post with
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
i have been waiting for the update addition, "I am Ukrainian."
just wondering when...

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Message 58 of 1408 (892627)
03-11-2022 1:46 AM
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03-10-2022 6:23 PM


Re: Tangle's sig
thanks jar!

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Message 60 of 1408 (892653)
03-11-2022 12:45 PM
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03-11-2022 8:06 AM


Re: Tangle's sig
and now i see that Tangle went for plain English.
was yours Russian or Ukrainian? i guess i could check, but, ah well...

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Message 75 of 1408 (892739)
03-12-2022 11:44 PM


also he commits the begging the question fallacy here:
Non-intentional change is wrong since biological cell is intellen
if the individual biological cell is intelligent, yes, that would falsify TOE. but he hasn't established that it is.
intellen doesn't mean anything on dictionary.com, so i took it as a likely typo.
intellen did get some hits on google, though. but they all kinda still look like he made a typo.
just being generous here.

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Message 181 of 1408 (895009)
06-06-2022 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by marc9000
06-05-2022 8:09 PM


marc9k writes, in part:
...the only things about science the human mind can understand.
well, that is a helluva lot better than the alternative, wouldn't you say?

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Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 259 of 1408 (895425)
06-26-2022 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by Percy
06-26-2022 5:54 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Percy writes, in part:
But it is true that science believes that the theory of evolution is the best explanation we have for the diversity of life on earth, including the history of that life as recorded in the fossil record.
Wait, wait, wait!
Just to pick a minor nit, "believes" is the wrong word. Science accepts as abundantly evidenced that the theory of evolution is the best explanation we have for the diversity of life on earth...
...given that Dredge is dredging around definitions of words like "know".
But do carry on, good show!

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Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 649 of 1408 (896599)
08-14-2022 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 647 by Dredge
08-14-2022 2:39 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge dogs on with:
Okay, well since science doesn't prove anything, how can a scientist claim to "know how evolution works"?
the same way a baseball fielder can catch a fly ball hit towards him. you know that they cannot model exactly how, but we can know how good enough to catch it.
have you ever heard a bunch of guys up on stage trying to get in tune? at some point one will say "Okay, that's good enough for folksinging!"
tentatively. holding the place for the way it happens until something better comes along. Einstein did not disprove Newton - he improved the Theory. a replacement theory has to completely describe what the former theory has already done, plus explain a little bit more.
right now there is very little left to explain about how evolution works.

Edited by xongsmith, : very little left, not very left


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Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 684 of 1408 (896668)
08-16-2022 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 683 by Percy
08-16-2022 11:58 AM


Re: Eye witness testimony
don't forget Neil Degrasse-Tyson's first appearance reporting for Jury Duty!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVTzuIe-5AU

Edited by xongsmith, .


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Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 708 of 1408 (896732)
08-17-2022 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 690 by Phat
08-16-2022 9:42 PM


Re: yada
Phat includes "Essentially yada` means: (1) to know by observing and reflecting (thinking), and (2) to know by experiencing."
I did not know that! This throws the whole Seinfeld "yada yada yada" episodes into a sharper focus.

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Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 764 of 1408 (896935)
08-26-2022 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 762 by Dredge
08-26-2022 10:25 PM


Re: what did it?
dredge writes:
Your "I don't know ... DNA done it" explanation is more scientific than the "I don't know ... God done it" explanation, but not by much.
if you allow for a neutral God to make random changes to the DNA molecules by having them exist in an atomic world of random fluctuations at the quantum level and then dispassionately watching the results without interfering, then you have close to the Deist god and the difference is even less.
your whining about lack of detail in the whale pelvis is like complaining about rolling a 5 instead of a 6 on a fair die. Why a 5? no reason, other than it's one of six possible results.
we don't know what random fluctuations occurred instead of other possibilities, but we have the general idea that there was no supernatural explanation needed. Why add one unless you want to fool people into giving you money?

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 820 of 1408 (899066)
10-08-2022 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 815 by Dredge
10-08-2022 12:05 AM


Dredge tries with Re: what did it?
Dredge asks:
So which "environmental pressures" produced a venonmous snake's hollow fangs, for example?
Which "environmental pressures" produced said snake's venom glands?
Which "environmental pressures" connected said snake's venom glands to said fangs?
And said snake's venom just happened to paralyse its prey ... how lucky was that?! Otherwise those snakes would have all starved to death.
You have no idea how long evolution has been making it little changes, do you? BILLIONS of YEARS is a very, very long time.
not being a professional herpetologist myself, i'd imagine it would be something like this:
start with a little groove on the inside of a tooth, then some are born with deeper grooves that are favored in that current environment. they survive at a more frequent rate and eventually are the major variant. then the deeper groove begins to fold together and the saliva has also been changing ever so slightly to venomous in this surviving population. some early venoms may have been self-destructive, others to weak to paralize a victim. some missed the teeth path and didn't work as they do today. eventually some venom systems were just right. you have BILLIONS and BILLIONS of years of generations of mutations leading to trials and errors. eventually you get rattlesnakes. or cobras. or coral snakes. or sea snakes (ahah! turn 15 in this current Xong game I'm playing now has Blue foisting a 27-legged Sea Snake upon Red, who has only one place it fits on the board and it's only for a net 4 points, leaving him only one point ahead of Blue who now gets a piece worth 4-5...but Red finds a Sea Snake of his own and now trails by 3 again - oh, nevermind).
Which "environmental pressures" produced said snake's venom glands?
pressure is the wrong word. "survival advantage" may be more accurate. just as a photosensitive dip in its head gave the primitive-eye creature an advantage living in the land of the blind, the venomous fangs gave an advantage in the life encounters over food and real-time battles of life & death.
but this is abundantly obvious to me.
why isn't it obvious to you?
what is blocking your brain from seeing this?

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 821 of 1408 (899069)
10-08-2022 2:38 AM
Reply to: Message 820 by xongsmith
10-08-2022 1:14 AM


Re: Sea Snake
p.s. - Red won 25-24 to tie the measured series 274 wins apiece!

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 831 of 1408 (899138)
10-09-2022 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 796 by Dredge
09-01-2022 10:49 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge spouts:
Nonsense. Humans are mammals, so anyone with half a brain would figure that insulin from other mammals would likely work better than insulin from non-mammals like mollusks or fish ... nothing to do with UCD.
‚Äč
Do try and awaken from your stupor.
There it is folks! his stupidity unchained!
he describes UCD/genetic defects resulting in mammals to be different from mollusks and then claims it has nothing to do with UCD! WOW what happened to you that your brain cannot see this?

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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