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Message 1 of 1218 (891956)
02-18-2022 2:42 PM


It seems that all the new topic proposals by creationists/ID proponents grossly mischaracterize evolution and then think members of EvC will defend any of those sill versions of evolution.
They also seem to think that people on the science side of this argument are as lazy as the creationists are and never actually put any work into research and broadening our knowledge.
All we ever get from them is "evolution is bad and it's a religion, just like us."
So the newest member at EvC, BISQUITCUTTER21, seems to think "If an unintelligent living organism came out of nature's goo and it was of one sex what are the chances another similar unintelligent organism came out as the opposite sex.", is a description of evolution. The Evolution of Sex
Does anyone think he will realize he's wrong when we tell him, if this pathetic thread proposal is promoted? I predict he will ignore us and spout other total BS mischaracterizations of evolution.
I'm bored and procrastinating when I should be working.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 3 of 1218 (891958)
02-18-2022 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Tangle
02-18-2022 2:45 PM


Yeah, the quality has gone down a bit, but really that's who we've been arguing with all along, uneducated nutters.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 6 of 1218 (891961)
02-18-2022 3:40 PM
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02-18-2022 3:03 PM


Yeah, I remember kids resistant to learning anything and kids that wanted to know how everything worked. The former always puzzled me.
The willfully ignorant seem to be afraid of everything, especially people who know more than them. They fear knowledge and see it as a threat.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 7 of 1218 (891962)
02-18-2022 3:47 PM
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02-18-2022 3:40 PM


It sounds like Kent Hovind's level or Kirk Cameron.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 15 of 1218 (891976)
02-18-2022 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by dwise1
02-18-2022 6:05 PM


The basic problem stemming from their misunderstanding/misrepresentation of evolution is that it leads them to many false conclusions.
True, but I really suspect that none of them have had any exposure to biology or any description of actual evolution. They have only been exposed to the rubbish they post here and the source of their mistaken description is also someone they trust because of religious authority. The brainwashing that religion accomplishes is amazingly efficient at closing their minds to new information.
Indeed, most creationist claims make absolutely no sense in light of what evolution actually is, which is why I keep trying to find a creationist who will tell us what he means by "evolution".
It is quite extraordinary that every single creationist, no matter which branch, cannot provide an accurate description of evolution, let alone show they understand it, or indeed, of creation science/ID either.
EWolf is the most recent attempt, but I have no doubt that he will not return let alone answer my questions
Well, the last time we heard from him was from the hospital...
Not really done on this topic, but my Tequila intake is starting to catch up with me.
Aw well, the thread will still be here.
I don't know much about tequila, but I had a shot of some really smooth Tequila in a Mexican restaurant in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan years ago. It was free when we paid our bill and there was no need for salt or lime, this was sipping liquor. When I was at a dragonfly meeting in Austin, Texas in 2019 a professor friend made her recipe of prickly pear margaritas that took her several weeks of complex preparations beforehand. They were the best margaritas I have ever or will ever have! (I have to say that)

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 21 of 1218 (891999)
02-19-2022 4:21 PM


I note that BSCUTTER21 has no further comments about sex or anything else.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


  
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Message 27 of 1218 (892010)
02-20-2022 12:07 PM


Another Fly in the Ointment
Hey, guys and gals who love science too!
MrID writes:
Scientific Falsification of the Theory of Evolution (ToE) and Introducing ToE's Repla
In addition with my science articles in Zenodo, I will be submitting a science article falsifying ToE. It is very easy to do it. But I need your help:
Do you know who are those scientists that had attempted to falsify ToE? I need some info or input from you guys/gals who love science too! Just put your answer below. Thank you!
I am in the half of article... pray that God will help me save humanity from ToE...
Basically, every scientist working in a biological field, attempts to falsify the Theory of Evolution with every experiment. That is the initial indication that they may be on to something useful...Does it make sense in light of evolution?
God seems to be doing a really shitty job of helping MrID communicate effectively, but that seems to be God's MO.
MrID writes:
It is so amazing that in our generation, a person like me could discover the real topic of intelligence and the implications to our science and to the world.
Yep, in the Information Age with a world wide internet it is so amazing that someone like you could discover the topic of intelligence, it's surprising, shocking even.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 29 of 1218 (892015)
02-20-2022 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by AZPaul3
02-20-2022 1:04 PM


Re: Another Fly in the Ointment
There was no intelligence before Mr. ID found it.
Well, I don't know what he found, but it wasn't intelligence.
He has already falsified that hypothesis.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 33 of 1218 (892124)
02-26-2022 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Jzyehoshua
02-25-2022 9:01 PM


Re: Male & Female
If by asexual you mean rare cases of virgin births which could be viewed as vindicating the Bible rather than disproving it.
No one is talking about virgin births.
Unnatural homosexual activity in nature, as well as intersex genitalia,
This is a contradiction in terms, there is no such thing as unnatural nature. And intersex genitalia is something you just made up.
mankind's alteration of the environment and/or life with artificial sex hormones known as xenoestrogens and xenoandrogens.
We were wondering what happened to you.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 35 of 1218 (892169)
03-01-2022 11:32 AM


Speed of Light?
The Light Time Problem
God_Save_the_Scene writes:
Does anyone have a scientific hypothesis that would explain the seemingly contradictory principles of starlight and a 6000 year old universe?
Yep, we do, the Universe is so huge that it takes light billions of years to reach us from the stars in distant galaxies and a bunch of goat herders in the Middle East a few thousand years ago, who didn't know anything about anything, wrote a fictional story about how the Earth and the Universe were created 6000 years ago.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


  
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Message 39 of 1218 (892567)
03-10-2022 12:58 PM


Finally, we are going get the real deal
We are eagerly awaiting the summary of the falsification, but I suspect all we will get is the link in the opening post.
EVOLUTION IS FALSIFIED!!!!!!!
This article is subdivided into five main topics:
(Part 1) Realistically, what is really the Theory of Evolution (ToE)?
(Part 2) How did some scientists falsify ToE and what are the invented falsification criteria for Biological Evolution or ToE?
(Part 3) What are the Problems and Inconsistencies of ToE? Why ToE is Wrong?
(Part 4) The correct Scientific Falsification of Theory of Evolution (ToE)
(Part 5) The replacement and its major explanations.
Part 1 should demonstrate whether MrID knows what he's talking about.
Part 2 I wonder if this could be a Precambrian rabbit?
Part 3 Stupid biologists left in all the problems and inconsistencies, who did they think they were fooling?
Part 4 Finally, I can hardly wait.
Part 5 It seems like this part should take care of parts 1-4 all by itself. This is going to tell us how to do biology from now on...
Still hasn't said which journal published the article.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 46 of 1218 (892574)
03-10-2022 5:12 PM
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03-10-2022 4:00 PM


Re: Finally, we are going get the real deal
We would also want to see what he was told in those rejection letters. I would definitely want to see where they had told him that they wanted to eliminate him as competition in getting their Nobel Prizes.
I don't believe he has submitted it anywhere. And I feel confident in predicting that none of his 5 points will come close to actually addressing his points.
I mean, come on..."Realistically, what is really the Theory of Evolution (ToE)?" and "What are the Problems and Inconsistencies of ToE? Why ToE is Wrong?"
Give me a break!
ABE: The idea that anyone would want to steal his "ideas", or that he could ever compete for a Nobel is pretty funny!
Do we suppose that he has ever read any work that earned a Nobel?
This guy is no threat to science
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 51 of 1218 (892583)
03-10-2022 7:09 PM


Holy Crap!
I made it to page 31, but my eyes were glazing over long before that. If anything it demonstrates that he has no idea what biological evolution is or what the Theory of Evolution is. Falsifying a strawman is really bizarre. I may have sprained something!
I can't figure out if this would be a Triple Strawman or a Strawman^3.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 55 of 1218 (892591)
03-10-2022 9:36 PM
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03-10-2022 8:58 PM


Re: Holy Crap!
He also does not understand "falsify" and he does not understand science.
But none of that is surprising, based on his earlier attempts.
This is true, but every time I re-expose myself to his stuff it seems like a deeper level of bizarre, and my thought each time is Holy Crap! I guess that must be my most superlative exclamation.
And this whole weird repetitious phrase:
quote:
The basisof ToE is non-intentionaland non-intelligently-guidedchange and their synonyms.
All that to say unguided, but none of it is any part of the Theory of Evolution as it doesn't specify unguided or even refer to guidance.
And his replacement is grandiose plans but not a shred of substance. Based on his history nothing he says should surprise me but it still does.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 56 of 1218 (892592)
03-10-2022 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by AZPaul3
03-10-2022 9:25 PM


Re: Unholy Crap!
Is there anyone within the sound of these electrons who has any hope of an actual revelation from MrID of such advanced majikal hidden knowledge?
At this stage it's all just entertainment value. It's kind of like trying to explain why there are no new phyla showing up today to a creationist, funny but exhausting. And sad.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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