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Topic: Choosing a faith
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 2654 of 3694 (911984)
08-06-2023 10:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 2652 by Phat
08-06-2023 10:45 AM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
Can you try to answer my question? Do you believe yourself capable of raping a baby? If not then it's not a choice to be a paedophile, it's something else isn't it?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2656 of 3694 (911988)
08-06-2023 11:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 2655 by Phat
08-06-2023 10:56 AM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
Phat writes: I am not capable of raping a baby. Of course you're not but that simple fact should tell you that evil of that kind at least is not a choice. So you need to ask yourself whether this simplistic religious view of choosing between good and evil is correct.
Other humans (hopefully only a few mental cases) are tempted to rape babies The facts are that a very large number of people - mostly men - are paedophiles and a proportion of them are not only capable of raping babies but are sexually attracted to them - that's a form of pre-programming.
but are also capable of overcoming the temptation. But again why? You believe that god gave them that need, why?!
Raping babies is not my weakness nor temptation
So why has he given this incredible evil to to some of us? Why Phat? Does it make any kind of sense to you, you know, loving god and all? It sure doesn't to me.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 2660 of 3694 (911997)
08-07-2023 3:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 2658 by GDR
08-06-2023 5:54 PM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
GDR writes: Let me ask you this. Do you think that if is child is molested is more likely to molest children as an adult that an adult who was never molested and even loved as a child. I'm not saying that the cycle can't be broken and probably usually is, but I would contend the the molested are more likely to molest than those not molested. The question of whether molested children are more likely to molest themselves is secondary. The real question is why some men are sexually attracted to children at all - it seems that around 1% have real paedophilic tendencies and 5% of the general population have paedophilic fantasies.
The point being is that I don't accept the idea that we are pre-programmed. However you did say that some are pre-programed. Are you then saying that they are forever incapable of overcoming this so called desire? I think we would both agree that we aren't just products of our DNA. It's complicated. At the moment paedophilia is thought to be neurodevelopmental, genetic and environmental. Paedophiles brains are different to non-paedophilic brains and they often have extensive histories of psychiatric disorders. But it's clear that their brains are different, often at or before birth.
The big question though is why does God allow this at all. It's not a question of allowing; according to religion, he made us this way. A percentage of the human population will either not be capable of stopping themselves raping children or find it very hard to do so.
I have to fall back on the old axiom that in order to choose that which is good we need to reject evil. Without evil goodness can't exist and God wanted us to have that freedom so that we can choose the good or loving answer to whatever arises in our lives. And of course that's simply a primitive, pre-modern rationalisation that doesn't fit the facts as they are now known. God made us this way, but insists we behave differently. That makes absolutely no sense. (And that's quite apart from the completely wrong-headed idea that we need evil to know good, that's obvious nonsense clearly demonstrated by religion itself - heaven doesn't need evil.)
Incidentally I might suggest that rejecting God for that reason may well make you closer to the heart and mind of God than many Christians. I don't reject god for that reason. I rejected Christianity first because it's clearly a totally manmade fiction, then god second and for all sorts of reasons not just this one. If you want to distress yourself The Neurobiology and Psychology of Pedophilia: Recent Advances and Challenges - PMC
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2662 of 3694 (912000)
08-07-2023 10:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 2661 by candle2
08-07-2023 9:06 AM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
candle2 writes: God did not create pedophiles or homosexuals. He did not create adulterers; thieves; or, liars. Of course he didn't, he doesn't exist.
He gave each of us free will. We are responsible for our
actions, not God or anyone else.
You believe god made us 6,000 years ago as we are today. Paedophiles and homosexuals exist, therefore your god must have made them. This is not choice, this is biology. Read the evidence in the link. The Neurobiology and Psychology of Pedophilia: Recent Advances and Challenges - PMC
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2665 of 3694 (912008)
08-07-2023 4:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 2664 by GDR
08-07-2023 3:13 PM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
GDR writes: Not that I dispute them at all but I'm curious as to where and how accurate are your numbers.
The reason I gave you a link to the source of the numbers is so that you'd be able to verify them. But while the numbers are important to how we as a society deal with the problem, the issue for us here is why is there even one paedophile? Why did god think it necessary?
I guess if we knew why there are minds perverted in that fashion we could do something to prevent it. I certainly don't have an answer. I'm not asking you for an answer to paedophilia, I'm asking why your god made paedophilia a reality.
I suppose that just as people are born with things like Down's Syndrome they can be born with brain defects. Exactly. In the case of paedophilia the defect is not only harmful to the individual but also to society - so why? As for the rest of your reply, you'll find that living by the golden rule has nothing to do with gods, religions and beliefs. Remove them all and the rule still stands as the best way to organise our lives here and now.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2669 of 3694 (912012)
08-09-2023 2:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 2668 by GDR
08-08-2023 9:20 PM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
Same old copout; god is responsible for the good, people for the bad. It's pretty daft. Christianity had to invent Satan to explain evil because otherwise it's not explicable. Modern Christianity has no answer to it, just a shrug and an “I believe that…” I'm traveling through 'old Europe’, Catholic churches and cathedrals everywhere. All that time and expense wasted on making a powerful elite extremely wealthy when it could have been used to improve lives. It's time we grew up and put the children's story books aside. Edited by Tangle, .
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2672 of 3694 (912024)
08-10-2023 2:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 2670 by GDR
08-09-2023 9:14 PM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
GDR writes: So you put the blame on God when people commit evil and then reject the idea that God could also be responsible when people commits acts of massive self sacrifice.
No. I'm an atheist remember, god does not exist. We're evolved apes; we’ve inherited their anatomy, their chemistry and their behaviours. Over the last 200,000 years or so we've been evolving away from them and are discovering ways that we can mitigate the worst traits of a species that was forced to compete for life or die, and encourage the good traits that allowed them to live communally. Our man-made modern society makes us responsible for our own behaviour but individuals within it are not equally capable of compliance - for all sorts of reasons, one of which is how our brains get wired before and after birth.
I agree that Christianity and other religions invented Satan, but it is merely a tool to enable us to personify evil. Again, that's just a rationalisation of your own belief. Satan has been a cornerstone of Christianity for millennia, your particular flavour of belief is a modern minority. Satan is at least biblical.
Very much like explaining away the fact that people, in many cases make great sacrifices to the point of risking their lives, in order to help people they have never met and won't meet again in some country on the other side of the planet, and claim that it is some evolutionary force involving only natural material inputs. We've done this a thousand times. It's not 'explained away', it's simply explained.
The children's story book as you call it portray a different deity than what you see in those buildings. The biggest single reason that the Jewish elite crucified Jesus was that He heavily criticized the temple authorities up to calling it a den of thieves. 2,000 years of Christianity is wrong - who knew?! But I'm not seeing any reason why you're right either - other than it's a nicer variant that you prefer.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2683 of 3694 (912039)
08-10-2023 2:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 2678 by GDR
08-10-2023 1:51 PM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
GDR writes: I'm not equipped to discuss evolution but I understood that we didn't evolve from apes but that we shared a common ancestor. We are apes descended from apes, modern apes share a common ancestor with modern humans. It's not controversial that we share traits and behaviours with modern apes and other related species. In fact it would be absolutely astonishing if we didn't. I believe you accept evolution? This is what it means.
However that does not preclude my belief that there a silent voice that speaks to our minds and hearts that influences us, so that we can understand, whether we ignore that voice or not, to understand that we should live by the law of love which is essentially the Golden Rule. You can believe anything you like, but there are no voices - that's just a silly and embarassing religious story.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2684 of 3694 (912040)
08-10-2023 2:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 2673 by candle2
08-10-2023 10:53 AM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
You're changing the subject. Again. Do homosexuals and paedophiles exist? If so, who or what created them?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2691 of 3694 (912070)
08-11-2023 4:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 2689 by GDR
08-11-2023 2:53 PM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
GDR writes: It's not a rationalisation. It is simply what I believe to be the case. There's a difference?
Yes, and you continue to claim that because you can observe it happening that there are only materialistic answers as to why it happened at all.
When we observe things happening, it's generally a good indication that it's happening.
You don't like the term survival of the fittest but Darwin did. I'm perfectly happy with the term but it doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. 'Fitness' means an organism's fit into the environment, not fit as in strong. [abe: it occurs to me that when you say that I'm not happy with the survival of the fittest, you might mean that I'm not happy with everything having to compete and die? Well of course I'm not, who in their right mind would be? if this place was created that way deliberately it was an unspeakably evil git that did it. But as it wasn't actually created, then survival of the fittest is just the way it is and we have to make the best of it. If our species lasts long enough we might in the end create a world for ourselves that a really beneficent creator would have made.] Essentially we should be striving to do whatever we can to benefit ourselves or maybe our own gene pool, and we can best do that by eradicating or enslaving outsiders that we compete with for resources.
You don't understand evolution; that's not correct.
You simply say that altruism does benefit us by experience, but what is really the evidence for that? Why do people want to aid people in other parts of the world they have never met at a cost to their own resources? Why do people want to prevent animal species from dying off; again at their own expense?
You've be presented with all this many times, why are you asking the same questions over and over like it's new? That is the story of the Gospels. The Jewish authorities and particularly the corrupt leaders of the Temple, (the ones that Jesus declared the Temple to be a "den of thieves), arrested Jesus and then to minimize the backlash from the general population presented Jesus to the Romans as someone who opposes paying taxes to Caesar and claiming to be King, which would mean that Caesar wasn't. So yes the Romans killed Him but it was the Jewish authorities that precipitated and painted a picture of Jesus that made Him a threat to the Romans. That is not what I was objecting to - though the whole story is a total invention anyway - it's your modern rewriting of the bible to suit your requirement of a nice god that I don't accept. Edited by Tangle, .
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2700 of 3694 (912081)
08-12-2023 5:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 2695 by GDR
08-12-2023 2:26 PM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
GDR writes: Good grief. That is hardly the point. You observe a branch fall off a tree. Your claim seems to be because we see it happening that's the end of the story.
That's not what I claim and if you'd read and thought about the evidence I've shown you you would know that.
So whereas you essentially believe in materialistic Darwinian evolution and materialistic social evolution, I believe in theistic Darwinian evolution and theistic social evolution. I've got news for you; 1) there's no such thing as either materialistic or theistic evolution, there's just evolution - it's a scientific theory; science does not deal in the supernatural. 2)Science does not believe things, it concludes things from evidence. That means that if the evidence changes, so does the conclusion. You're going to carry on believing the stuff you believe in despite evidence. The facts of evolution are identical whatever adjective you put in front of it.
I see God in the social evolution of the "Golden Rule'. It is a part of all major world religions, (hat I know of), as well as being accepted by anti-theists such as yourself. Of all the social memes or replicators the "Golden Rule' appears to be prominent. That should tell you that it's got sod all to do with religion.
Here is the Oxford definition of the term "survival of the fittest".
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The continued existence of organisms which are best adapted to their environment, with the extinction of others, as a concept in the Darwinian theory of evolution.
It seems to me that is consistent with my understanding of the term. I repeat, you do not understand evolution. We keep giving you explanations of how altruism benefits social species - survival of the fittest in this case favours altruistic behaviour.
As you know I understand the Bible as an ongoing narrative, written by fallible humans that tells the story of the progressive understanding of the nature of God and His call on our lives. It is the Israel story climaxing in Jesus. That is simply the end of that part of the narrative but our understanding continues to evolve.
I see it in many ways as well that it is sort of a back to the future scenario. The church through scholars like N T Wright are helping us to shed the Greco Roman thinking that the church took on and the church is slowly evolving into something the more closely resembles the Christian church that existed up to the time of Constantine.
It isn't a case of re-writing the Bible but more a case of expanding our understanding of it. You have absolutely nothing that can expand your understanding of Christianity. What you're doing is trying to fit a primitive set of beliefs into our modern society's values. You're just making stuff up, rationalising everything. Religious beliefs evolve in order to survive. If a church attempted to promote the values it held just a few hundred years ago today, it couldn't survive - so it changes, throwing away once firmly held doctrines.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2704 of 3694 (912096)
08-13-2023 5:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 2703 by candle2
08-13-2023 4:12 PM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
"It has come to our attention that THE THIRD WAY web site is wrongly being referenced by proponents of Intelligent Design and creationist ideas as support for their arguments. We intend to make it clear that the website and scientists listed on the web site do not support or subscribe to any proposals that resort to inscrutable divine forces or supernatural intervention, whether they are called Creationism, Intelligent Design, or anything else." Looks quite interesting and it's how science happens. Home | The Third Way of Evolution
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2715 of 3694 (912114)
08-15-2023 7:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 2713 by GDR
08-14-2023 10:47 PM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
GDR writes: We have used the term "theistic evolution on this site forever. I don't understand your problem. It doesn't change the facts concerning evolution but simply means that there is an intelligent root cause. Some of the religious that have appropriated ToE use the term, it has no value outside those groups.
It's not about religion but about God's influence in the world.
There is no evidence at all for god or his alleged influence in the world. In fact, if you accept the ToE you accept that everything about us derived from a natural process. The emotion of empathy evolved the same way as our other emotions.
I'm not denying that but tell me how we are led to help people or animals on the other side of the world by sacrificing our own well being as a result of evolution with nothing but a materialistic root. I've explained this a dozen times, you just shrug it off. As a social species we have evolved empathy. That's it. We're just empathetic enough to to send a few dollars to help support starving Africans but not to the extent that involves any true discomfort on our part. We don't do what Jesus commands us to and give everything up to follow him. This voice of yours is properly small and very still indeed.
Ya, so what.
The 'so what?' is that it shows that by throwing away religious beliefs because they don't fit with modern views of ethics and morality demonstrates that religious beliefs are man made not god made. Edited by Tangle, .
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2718 of 3694 (912117)
08-15-2023 9:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 2716 by Phat
08-15-2023 8:14 AM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
Phat writes: Nah I disagree. You assert as if what you say is factual but it is inconclusive. What is inconclusive?
The reason that GDR and I dont change our tune is because
we have more emotion invested in our belief
You are correct in that of course. You are incapable of thinking rationally about it; your belief is purely emotion based.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Message 2720 of 3694 (912120)
08-15-2023 4:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 2719 by Phat
08-15-2023 2:24 PM
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Re: Does God allow genocide or even commit genocide under the right circumstances
Phat writes: Do you ever trust your emotions? Ever?
Sometimes, but never when something needs a thought process rather than a knee jerk. For that we use our brain, not our hormones. Well some of us do.
Do you need evidence to prove that you love someone?
No, but if I did, it could easily be found. What do you think our pre-frontal cortex is designed for?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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