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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Note that the backbone is not the entire body. Thats nonsense. The Northern economy was the major economy in the time of the civil war...not the Southern economy.To say that slavery is/was the backbone of the economy is inserting both your feets into your mouth. Show me some data. However, the body doesn't function as well without it.
Phat writes:
I'm not charging anybody with anything. The people who reaped the benefis of slavery (all the way down to you) are the ones who ran up the bills. I'm just pointing out that it's not, as you say, ludicrous to ask them to pay their bills.
Put the fire out, don't just try and charge every non slave in the world for the sins of slavery. Phat writes:
Paying your bills is not a lie. You should try to think before you blather your knee-jerk right-wing nonsense.
Thats the globalist socialist lie that you have bought. Phat writes:
*shrug* Never is a long time. Newsflash: IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. In Canada, weve been paying reparations to indigenous people for decades. (Not near enough yet, mind you, but still better than "NEVER".) Maybe even you Americans will turn from your evil ways before never.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So did Jim Keegstra. It was a Jewish conspiracy and he expected it to come about by the millennium.
I've mentioned a globalist socialist agenda... Phat writes:
Not at all. I have ridiculed it six ways from Sunday - and YOU ignore everything I say.
... you hand-wave it away... Phat writes:
Well of course it is not what I'm talking about. There's no such thing as a "globalist socialist agenda".
... saying its not at all what you are talking about. Phat writes:
HOW?
This last statement proves it is! Phat writes:
How could I know that? You know its going to happen eventually. Keegstra "knew" it was going to happen by 2000. It didn't.
Phat writes:
You have not made an argument. You are just not honest enough to address that inevitable argument.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
That's not an example. It's your delusion.
Here is another example. The "Federation" will become planetary. Phat writes:
You're no Bible-thumper. You throw out the Bible. And at that point in time, you will have to legally shut down the Bible "Thumpers... The rest of you're drivel I'm not even going to read.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
I don't think it's a minority. I think it's pretty much a scholarly consensus. Believing He existed doesn't count any more than believing the Flood happened counts. I would say that other than for this forum you are part of a very small minority in claiming that He didn't exist as a man living a couple of thousand years ago.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But the Emperor had no clothes. We tried to fool them into believing. (Your end-times nonsense is mostly wrong but that belongs in a different topic.)Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Again, that is not an argument. You have not shown how paying your bills causes more harm than good.
My argument is that by attempting to go way back in History and rectify decisions made 200 years ago you are causing more harm than good... Phat writes:
How can you acknowledge a mistake without trying to fix it? Is that how your father built houses? "Yes, I acknowledge that the roof leaks. Goodbye."
Acknowledge the mistakes and sins of the past but dont try and fix them. Phat writes:
Causing the KKK to burn more crosses is nor "social unrest". It causes more social unrest than it solves.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Tell me you don't see yourself. Ignorance is an option, but I make myself read and study more than most people I know.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
People with an IQ of 9 think they can school the grownups. The Left are so senseless and stupid, they think something as natural and inevitable as racism can be eradicated with "education" and laws. For those with an IQ of 10 and up: Murder is natural and inevitable. Nobody thinks we can "eradicate" it but we can prevent some of it with laws that promise to lock murderers up and throw away the key. And we can prevent some more by educating people about the laws. Why wouldn't something similar work with racists?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You're denying. You're not showing what you claim.
First of all, I am disputing these bills that *some* of society claim I owe. Phat writes:
YOU don't get to decide what's "good enough". Society as a whole will decide what is necessary.
Some abstract concept that I and others have benefited from social privilege, for example, is not good enough. Phat writes:
The slaves were not allowed to sign treaties, moron. They were not considered human. A slave could no more sign a treaty than your fridge can sign a treaty. Show me the actual words of a treaty that was violated, and then maybe we can talk. That's why there are no treaties. But we've changed our minds. We've decided that black people ARE human after all. So human decency requires us to do what we can to atone for the attrocities we committed in the past.
Phat writes:
See above. In addition, I would also demand to read the words of the lawyers challenging such a treaty and the status of the treaty in a court of law. But even in the absence of any legal niceties, I think a strong legal case could be made for paying what you owe. Unwritten contracts, "gentlemen's agreements", deals made "on a handshake" have a long history in common law (longer than written contracts).Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
So you SAY you read books you don't want to read but you don't actually read them. Years ago, while in High School, I was a World War II buff. I bought that book. IIRC it was 1600 pages long and I never read it cover to cover. I'm on my third read.
Phat writes:
Not just Hitler but the dupes who enabled him. "Oh yes sir, sure sir, three bags full sir." It's a portrait of every RepublicaNazi who enables Trump.
If you are referring to Hitler, I certainly dont see myself like him... Phat writes:
Obligated.
How would you feel, as a young man or woman, if you were born in debt? Phat writes:
Wow. If you looked up, could you see the sky too?
Im sure if I studied further, I could see a bit of Trump in Hitler Phat writes:
You keep saying they are going to.
I also will acknowledge that if the American people went through another Great Depression... Phat writes:
They already did. Where were you in 2016?
... they may feel like electing a Populist with lofty promises of restoration to greatness... Phat writes:
And you also have faith in the Republicans who are trying to destroy that system.
... I also have faith in our system of government... Phat writes:
That's not an argument. It's just denial. The primary argument that I ascribe to in defense of the American people is that we are not the only ones who owe it. Try going to the bank and telling them that you're not going to pay your mortgage because "that guy" didn't pay his.
Phat writes:
And look how that turned out. We would be at the crossroads of history just as the German people were after the Great War. Rationality would tell you, "Don't be Germany!" But you're happy making the same mistakes over and over and over again.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Again, yes. This topic has already been through that. This again is from This wiki site.... Some historians may believe that a person named Jesus existed but the actual details of his life, especially the miracles, are dubious. You might as well say that James Bond must have existed because Ian Fleming mentioned him. But Dr. No did not exist. Goldfinger did not exist, Ernst Stavro Blofeld did not exist.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Do you want the US to have the reputation of a nation that breaks its word?
Dont drag up 150 year old treaties .... Phat writes:
You're an idiot. All you Leftists want is more other leftists to join your cause and vote you in office for perpetuity.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It has nothing to do with anything global. Where do you get such nonsense? We will take the issue of reparations global and see how it plays out. It's a US problem ONLY. Canada has a similar problem with our indigenous people and we ARE trying to solve it (albeit very slowly). So shove your bullshit about it being "impossible". It IS being done.
Phat writes:
It's NOT about the planet. It's about YOUR nation doing what's right. The planet has more pressing issues than bending over backwards to make every global citizen (financially) equal. Stop being such an evil bastard.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
You like to pretend you know who was "meant" to be taken as historical.
You guys do like to bring up characters that were never meant to be taken as historical... GDR writes:
As I have said to you before, stories about miracles and resurrections were NOT "written to be taken" as historical. ... and compare that to writings that were written to be taken as historical.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It should be obvious to all but the dimmest wit. Only the US decides what the US does.
ringo writes:
Says who? It's a US problem ONLY. Phat writes:
I told you that MY nation is trying to solve OUR problem but you insist it can't be done.
Worry about your own nation. Phat writes:
That's EXACTLY how it works. Have you never HEARD of democracy? You seem to think that one side writes the rules and the conclusions for everyone.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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