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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Not kidding edge, evolutionists force evolution on students and will try and flunk them if they dont adhere to the doctrine of luck and chance.
Well, yes, I'd probably give them a low grade if they adhered to the "doctrine of luck and chance." That would show that they have no understanding of evolution or science.
In UNiversity, they do not allow questions to be asked about evolution and its unproven science, as it is deemed a GIVEN.
Nonsense. The problem is that they do not like the answers to their questions and begin to disrupt the classroom.
No one as HEREIN as well is allowed to bring up topics that disagree with evolution.
Then exactly what are you doing here?
Evolutionists get very upset about answering queries and just say questioners dont understand, rather than evolutionists trying to explain their unproven theories logically.
Again, nonsense. We repeatedly to answer YEC questions. They just don't like the answers and start to get preachy and insulting.
They can;t and so get rather upset.... and subjective.
We get bored and dismissive, yes. And justifiably so.
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
A post that truly speaks for itself:
HEREIN somebody tried to quote Leonardi DaVinci explanations of the Flood as impossible. How in heaven and hell can anyone HERE write about Leonardo DaVinci when he was a mathematician and evolutionists hate mathematics as they have none. Leonardi knew the design of the human body. he knew PHI and the Golden Section. He was a Grand Master of the Illuminati, and knew DESIGN..... and geometry learned in the mystery schols as mentioned) But Leonardo was not a Christian and no expert on the Flood,It was not rain, but mainly the depths of the Earth were opened up and water came upward, and the flood afterwards descended back into the depths and receeded... Yes, the shells on the mountain tops showed this as Leonardo stated and observed and as evolutionists theorise against, butthats why shells are on the crests ofmountains through out the world...and then the floods receeded (SEE GRAND CANYON thread... HistoricalDatesProphesiedIHS David And warrants no coherent response... Want to try again?
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
More harassment and no answer because evolutionists dont know about Gensis and the Flood and where the waters came from or where they went.... they are unread and ignorant.
You obviously haven't been reading all of the posts on this and other threads. Every argument you (all) make has been refuted. Some of us have gone to great lengths to explain the facts and the reasoning that go behind mainstream science. You simply deny the facts. And yes, I do not study Genesis, because it is a story, not evidence.
As for DaVinci, of course evolutionists are speechless and brainless about his history, and his knowledge and his education and his mistake concerning the Flood. DaVinci was not a Christian and did not study genesis, only the shells on the tops of mountains..
Of course he didn't study Genesis, at least not for his science. He studied the actual physical evidence. You should try it.
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
And you have still not addressed the evidence I posted to you over a month ago from my own archaeological research, even though I've prodded you a dozen times or more.
And yet, we are the ones who are 'speechless' about the topic. We are looking at a particularly hard case here. Even by CARM standards.
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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quote:So, David, tell us more about this "water layer". Where was it 'above the earth', and how thick was it? How did it remain suspended in the sky? How did it admit light to the surface of the earth? What was the level of greenhouse gases at the time and how much was due to water? What caused it to collapse and where did the water go afterward? Your solutions create more impossible situations.
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Here it tis
Sure. Okay, please show us where the 'fountains of the deep' were and what is your evidence for them? Just saying that they existed is not evidence. fountains of the DEEP Genesis 711 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. DaVinci should have studied some bible and should have known about the foundations of the deep, especially seeing he *** came *** **** **** How was the water stored in the earth? Why did it suddenly erupt to the surface?
The waters receeded back from where they came from........
And exactly where is that? What is your evidence for such a location?
Now you know the true history of the Flood, and why DaVinci made his mistake and why shells are on the tops of mountains, and why evolutionists are so afraid of study and research
Actually, we only know your nice story. You don't really have anything to back it up.
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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I would suggest that it is 'ignorant' to discount, the fountains of the deep.
I would suggest that the complete lack of evidence for such fountains; and the lack of a mechanism for either the venting or the repacking of water back into the crust preclude such fountains.
For the flood came from down below not just the water layer above the EARTH, and so logically and biblically it stated, that the Flood waters receded downward, back into the depths of the Earth.
These are unsupported assertions. Where is your evidence?
You have never been there and can not say definitely this is not true, ...
Are you sure about this?
... all you can say, is you dont know....and then deny deny DENY.
Not really. We can say that there is evidence for what we think is going on. You, on the other hand, have nothing but fables.
Anyway, the floods waters receeding is logical and reasonable and is seen in the Earths crust and the geology of the designed landscape.
There is nowhere for the waters to recede to.
Yikes, we must start a thread on the geological exactness of the designs of the Earths, cities, rivers, continents etc...
I'm not sure that you would want to do that.
Its proveable, its there for those that seek.
Then please do so.
You see DESIGN is not hidden but searchable..... all evolutionists can do is deny deny deny...
The products of natural, KNOWN processes are also 'searchable'. The denial is yours. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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As mentioned when discussing the geological evidence for the flood, we would have to first account for the massive amount of water that covered the Earth.
Only if you presuppose that there ever was that much water.
The biblical record states that there was a layer of water (or vapor) above the Earths surface in Genesis.
Does the biblical record provide a mechanism by which to suspend that much water in the air or space or whatever?
Does this make sense, Yes, early man after Adam lived a LONG TIME compared to after the flood.
And you have some hard evidence to this effect?
Hence this vapor or water layer could have easily shielded the Suns damagaing aging rays, in allowing mankind to live sooooo long.
But I suppose it wouldn't shield the helpful rays of the sun, right?
So did this upper water layer descend in 40 days and nights of rain, lifting Noahs Ark up, and eventually covering all the Earth and mountains worldwide (depositing shells on tops of mountains as has been observed) yes, very possible, probable and rational...
Not really since the shells are not on the mountain but within the very rocks that make up the mountain.
But thats way too little rain water to explain such a height of water upward....and hence as mentioned in Genesis, the Lord opened up the water from beneath the firmament, from the depths, or FOUNTAINS OF THE DEEP as well.
Tell us more about these 'fountains of the deep'. Who observed them? Were were they? What did they look like and where can we see them today?
This can provide sufficient water to cover the whole Earth, ...
If you say so. Could you provide the calculations to show this? How much water erupted from the fountains? How high did the waters rise?
... and then when it receeded it coused the plains and deltas, and Grand Canyon etc... that we see today.
Sure, it made nice meandering rivers. Tell us more about this erosion. What kind of material did it erode and where did it come from? Why do we see different drainage patterns all over the world?
It went back into the depths....
That's s simplistic explanation. What depths are you talking about? Did it move into rocks?
and Noahs ARK descended on to Mount Aratrat where it has been rediscovered....
Please document this. I haven't heard of such.
Yet after the flood, the continents were divided in the days of Peleg....
Who was Peleg and why did the continents suddenly decide to part their ways? How did they move and how fast. There is no record of tumultuous earth movements that I know of in any human record that would move entire continents thousands of miles. Did no one notice?
... (but we aren;t allowed to discuss that..)
Whatever your religion tells you not to do, I guess.
Now we know.... the geological record as in the GEOLOGICAL RECORD BOOK.
I know of no such "Geological Record Book". Can you please provide the Amazon reference page? I'd love to read the reviews. Just as an aside, how did you gain all of this knowledge about geology?
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Edge, do consider writing more than one liners. Learn to explain yourself, in more than one line retorts.. Thanks hoping you do better in the future.
I'm sorry if you do not have the capacity to contemplate on simple statements. I usually like to provide an idea and let people reflect in their own way. I like to have people to examine the data and come to their conclusions on their own; or at least ask a question for further understanding. I also don't like to make long, unreadable posts. When I see rambling posts, I tend to glaze over and miss important points if there are any. At the same time, I notice that your own posts are so vague and formulaic that they really don't tell me anything. All I can see is that you are a dogmatic YEC with little evidence to back up your statements, just platitudes. No amount of amplification is going to add to your argument. If you have a question, just ask. If all you are going to do is make assertions and ignore alternative ideas, I'm not going to put a lot of work into a response. As most people here will tell you, I do take time to make thoughtful and thorough posts when I am conversing with a reasonable person. Your automatic denials based on nothing are not conducive to discussion. For instance, Percy has asked me for clarification many times and I always try to respond in a meaningful way. Give us some indication that you actually think about these things.
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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The Book is called the Bible, or more specifically the words written by the Lord, or His men or women, or prophets..
If you think that the Bible is a geology text, your are missing everything about geology, and about the Bible.
I think with that information you can discern the layers of truth within and on top of its superficial reading. Seek and ye shall find.
Well, what you are discerning from the Bible makes no sense and I certainly don't see an explanation for your speculation about the Bible.
(I am not allowed to start a topic on Geographic Design however, or sex, or anything, so would have to do it here...even though that would be off topic, even though this is actually my topic...)
I have no idea what you are talking about here.
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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I conclude from this answer that you didn't read the referenced article. Reply again when you have something substantial to contribute.
But actually, RAZD did read the article. In fact that quote was from the conclusion. Going on to the content, however, the paper has a few problems. It does not account for the tabular shape that is conformable with bedding in the enclosing sediments. This is almost universal, excluding salt domes and possibly other deformed deposits. These salt deposits form layers parallel with the sediments and occur in known basins which could be restricted for long periods of times allowing evaporation to occur. The author kind of deceives you when he discusses a kilometer thick salt layer. He says that it would take the evaporation of 60km of salt water to attain this amount of salt. I have just checked on the original thickness estimates for the Louann Salt in the Mississippi Embayment and it was probably about 500 feet. Moving on, he compares the salt layers to known sodium carbonate lavas. The problem with this is that the lavas are easily recognizable as igneous rocks by there textures and geometry. He talks about the salt being intruded at 850 degrees C. So, okay, where is evidence for the metamorphism of the enclosing rocks? Need I go on? Actually, Heerema gets even more ludicrous in his defense of the magmatic theory here: Clarifying the magmatic model for the origin of salt deposits - creation.com As a parting shot, I see that Stef Heerema has a degree in 'airplane engineering'.That should be comforting to you.
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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You assert that I'm wrong, you do not try to prove anything, and you do smear the debater.
Actually, we tell you why you are wrong. The fact that you ignore contrary evidence is a failure on your part.
My argument is excellent, too bad you haven't the brain to see it.
For so many reasons stated on this thread, no. Your arguments, as you readily admit, ignore certain evidences and rely on faith alone.
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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I've never "hand-waved" away your dating stuff. I've said I can't answer it and I have better evidence anyway which makes the dating false. That is NOT "hand-waving." Which is practically the definition of hand-waving.
Hand waving Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
hand waving noun 1. insubstantial words, arguments, gestures, or actions used in an attempt to explain or persuade.
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Never never never will anyone address the actual evidence I've given.
Never, never, never will you give us the courtesy of reading our posts. If you did, you would see the discussion of your points. Instead, you deny and reject out of hand.
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edge Member (Idle past 1965 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Edge why would you ask such a question?
Yes, I do. And you know that they produce evidence that they exist. You know there are thousands of black smokers in the oceans that spew out superheated water of 350c constantly. Now, if these fountains of the deep were as advertised, they should have left behind huge deposits of broken rock, metallic deposits and global blankets of geochemical evidence. Where are these things?
Isn't these hydrothermal vents where life is supposed to have began to exist?
Possibly. But how could they when the eruption was supposed to end all life on the planet?
You should know of the fresh water springs in the oceans as the one off Jacksonville Fl and the ones in the Hawaiian Islands that natives got drinking water for many years.
So, which is it? The black smokers or the freshwater springs? Can you show us where such fresh water springs are so explosive as to produce the effect of the global flood that Faith adheres to? In fact, they occur in limestones, do they not? How does that happen?
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