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vimesey
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Message 130 of 1352 (804559)
04-11-2017 4:13 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Davidjay
04-11-2017 1:55 AM


A day is a special divine time measure and not at random, as the Lord of Creation designed a 24 hour day, as even seconds are divine, minutes divine, hours divine, all because of the speeds, motions of the first week when the Lord spun the Earth and set the Earth in place.
This may blow your mind - were you aware that days are getting longer ? Ever so slightly, but definitely getting longer than 24 hours.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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vimesey
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Message 522 of 1352 (806366)
04-25-2017 5:07 AM
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04-25-2017 4:14 AM


Re: Tectonic violence etc
Hi Faith.
We're told this would generate too much heat
As my understanding goes, that's correct. But it's not just the energy generated by the movement which you would need to factor in - it's also the energy which you would need to apply, in order to create that sort of movement in the first place.
To work out a decent stab at a number like that would be enormously complicated. Not only would you need to work out how much energy to apply to shift a rather large mass of rock laterally (and according to a quick trawl on Google, Everest alone weighs 357 trillion pounds) at a rate thousands of times faster than the plates are currently moving - you'd also have to factor in how much extra energy would be needed to crunch, subduct and fold all of that rock.
And then you need to work out where that kinetic energy would have come from. The centre of the earth seems the only option - and it would be my firm guess that the application of enough kinetic energy, from the centre of the earth, to move that much rock that violently and that quickly, could only have led to a cataclysm which would have destroyed the planet.
I might have a fiddle around with some numbers later on, if I get time.
Either way - energy output, or energy input - the numbers are going to be more than daunting for the movement you'd need.

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vimesey
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Message 523 of 1352 (806367)
04-25-2017 5:23 AM


Quick formula
Even if you look simply at the very basic kinetic energy formula, the energy of a mass is a product of the square of its velocity. In principle, therefore, if the velocity of the plates then was, say, a thousand times greater than it is now, you would need to apply a million times more energy to achieve that velocity.
This is horribly simplistic of course, but it gives you an order of magnitude. If the earth suddenly applied a million times more energy to the plates than it is currently applying to shift them at the moment...well, cataclysm wouldn't begin to describe it.

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vimesey
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Message 765 of 1352 (808026)
05-08-2017 4:13 AM
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05-08-2017 3:28 AM


Re: Giraffes
It's reasonable to conclude that after the flood there was a period of rapid speciation
What would be the drivers of such rapid speciation ?
(Bear in mind that "rapid" is an immense understatement - you're talking many orders of magnitude quicker than can be determined today. Your drivers need to be extremely significant, and no longer present today).

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vimesey
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Message 902 of 1352 (809207)
05-17-2017 3:02 AM
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05-17-2017 2:41 AM


Re: Six "Flood" Arguments Creationists Can't Answer
Except that Bernard et al's experiment produced a different result to what occurred naturally, and is therefore correctly ignored, when it comes to studying the position. So edge's point still stands.

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vimesey
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Message 955 of 1352 (811113)
06-05-2017 8:57 AM
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06-05-2017 6:12 AM


Re: Two possibilities
where are the skeletons on display ... they would be a huge attraction.
They're in a wooden crate, along with thousands of other wooden crates, in a government warehouse that looks bigger and bigger as the camera pans back.....

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