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Stile
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Message 1008 of 1352 (812040)
06-14-2017 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 997 by Tangle
06-14-2017 3:00 AM


Different Strokes for Different Folks
Tangle writes:
You should also ask yourself why only people with a belief system like yours hold the YEC belief. Why can't you find an agnostic YEC scientist? The answer is because belief in a young earth derives from faith not science. It can't stand on its own evidence.
That's a really good, simple point.
There are many religiously-different scientists.
Christian scientists.
Hindu scientists.
Atheist scientists.
First Nations scientists.
Wiccan scientists.
...probably scientists from each and every different religion you could name on the planet.
But how many religiously-different YECs?
Only Christians.
How many religiously-different Hindu literal-creation-story believers?
Only Hindus.
How many religiously-different First Nations literal-creation-story believers?
Only First Nations people.
How many religiously-different Wiccan literal-creation-story believers?
Only Wiccans.
There's a pattern here.
Why is science so universal?
I know. Tangle knows. Everyone knows.
Except for the Christian literal-creation-story believers. They think it's a worldwide conspiracy against Christianity.
Except for the Hindu literal-creation-story believers. They think it's a worldwide conspiracy against Hinduism.
Except for the First Nations literal-creation-story believers. They think it's a worldwide conspiracy against First Nations.
Except for the Wiccan literal-creation-story believers. They think it's a worldwide conspiracy against Wicca.
If you can't pick up on the 'lesson of humanity' based on these facts... or the obvious religiously-independent universality of science shown here... then you're simply too close-minded into whatever religious cult you currently find yourself.

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Message 1312 of 1352 (814850)
07-13-2017 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1300 by Faith
07-13-2017 12:42 AM


Thinkity Thinking about Living in a Depositional Environment
Faith writes:
Um, nothing could have lived in a "depositional environment" that became a rock in a stack of rocks. Think think think thinkity think.
Hi Faith,
We can return to this example you seemed to be understanding where you agreed (at least, hypothetically) that things could live in a "depositional environment" for at least 50,000 years.
I'll copy the last part we agreed upon here, as well as a link below to the last message I sent you that you didn't reply to.
I think it's fairly on-topic about flood geology stuffs, so we can continue right here, if you'd like.
quote:
Okay, let's move on a bit and see where we go. Again, the italics is just a copy of the stuff we've already gone over in more detail, and the normal text is the next-step.

We'll take your simple environment #1 with a realistic amount of sedimentation: About a quarter of a millimeter per year.
This means that it will take about 100 years for something to be buried an inch deep.
We have 100 years going by. Creatures are growing up, dying, decomposing. Plants are growing and being eaten, trees are getting hit by lightning. Some fall over, some keep growing. But no living things are being buried. No habitats are being destroyed. There's simply an inch of sediment to deal with over the course of 100 years.
But... all the creatures that lived in year 1 are all dead by year 100. They are all decomposed and eaten away by scavengers, bugs and bacteria.
During year 1, an asteroid dropped onto the surface, leaving a chunk of lead 6" across. This chunk of lead just sits there. Nothing touches it, nothing moves it. There's no reason for any living creature (even bugs/bacteria) to take any interest in it.
After 100 years, this chunk of lead is surrounded by 1 inch of sediment.
This whole process continues. Creatures live and die. Plants live and die. Habitats are moved or re-arranged. The sediment keeps piling up. Another hundred years, another inch surrounds our chunk of lead from the asteroid 200 years ago.
Fast forward 2500 years.
Our piece of lead from year one is now buried under 2-feet of sediment. Everything organic that existed at year 1 is now long dead. Some of the habitats are destroyed, others were re-arranged over the years, others were moved completely. The surface is still only dealing with an extra inch of sediment every 100 years.
The surface itself, though, still contains a thriving landscape. It still contains creatures and plants and trees. They live and die and decompose. They still go about their business of "dealing with" the extra inch of sediment every 100 years.
Obviously, the trees and creatures that exist within the similar landscape at 2500 years are not the same trees and creatures and existed before. These trees and creatures are simply long-long-descendants of the ones alive during year 1. Yet they live very similar lives... just dealing with the extra 1 inch of sediment every year. Trees and plants grow faster than that, so they stay perfectly fine at the surface. Creatures move around so they just stay on top of the incoming sediment.
Keep going for 25 000 years.
The chunk of lead is now 20 feet under the surface. The surface, however, is still growing away as a lush landscape. Plants are still growing, dying. Trees are still growing, some falling over, some destroyed in forest fires. Creatures are still scurrying about in new habitats they find/make during their time. Every living creature easily overcomes the incoming inch of sediment every 100 years.
At this depth of 20 feet, though... all the sediment at this depth is starting to compress together due to the weight of the 20 feet of sediment on top of it. This 20-foot-deep sediment used to be at the surface 25 000 years ago when the chunk of lead fell onto it. 25 000 years ago this sediment was the landscape... it had trees, creatures and all sorts of stuff living on it. Now, however, all this year-1 sediment is buried 20 feet under, along with our chunk of lead. And it's starting to get pressed together by the pressure on top of it caused by 20 feet of sediment.
Now we're at 50 000 years.
The chunk of lead is buried by 40 feet of sediment.
The sediment at the same level (40 feet under) has even more pressure on it, and it starts to squeeze out the little bits of moisture that are still in it. This process is still just starting. No rock yet. Just very compressed, pressurized sediment with 40 feet of sediment weighing down on top of it.
At this 50 000 year mark, at the surface, we still have a lush landscape. Still growing and dying with creatures and living things simply dealing with their extra inch of sediment every year.
The elevation changes and the ocean starts encroaching into the land above our chunk of lead.
The ocean comes in at a rate of 0.001 miles each year. That's about 5 feet in-land each year. Plenty of time for animals to re-arrange their habitats on the surface. To move away completely. To just eat elsewhere. Or to live and die as they've been doing for 50 000 years now.
Each year, 5 feet of our surface-terrestrial-landscape dies off and is ruined by the incoming ocean.
Each year, 5 feet of more-ocean is created as the beach-area moves further and further inland.
Just as creatures can easily deal with the extra inch of sediment every 100 years... they are also able to deal with the 5-feet less of their landscape every year. They just move further inland as well.
At 100 000 years, the ocean has moved in 50 miles.
Sedimentation continues.
The sediment more-than-50-miles inland is still the same "terrestrial sediment" accumulating from before.
However, the sediment above our chunk of lead is now "marine sediment" that is different from terrestrial sediment.
The landscape is still on-going, with creatures and trees and plants living and dying. It's just not going on like this over our chunk of lead anymore. It's going on like that "50 miles inland" and beyond that, now.
The "landscape" above our chunk of lead is now a marine-scape (I don't know the word?) it has fish and other ocean-creatures living above it now.
The fish swim around, and continue with their lives and deaths and off-spring, dealing with the extra inch of sediment every 100 years.
Our chunk of lead is now buried 80 feet below the bottom of the ocean, 50 miles from shore.
Alright. Let's see what comes up now that we have the water move in overtop our chunk of lead.
The main points for the rock-formation are as follows:
-the rock is now 80-feet deep, with 80 feet of sediment above it (40 feet of terrestrial-sediment, and 40 feet of marine-sediment).
-the sediment around the chunk of lead is now 5% along it's way to becoming rock.
The main points for the non-destroyed surface (the "landscape") are as follows:
-the landscape continues on land... now 50 miles away from the chunk of lead... still growing trees and plants and creatures as happily as ever
-the marine-scape continues above the chunk of lead... still swimming fish and other ocean dwelling creatures. They are also happy.
Message 1110 from thread The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock
My last reply to you where you stopped responding because you wanted to take a break:
Message 1144 from thread The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock

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