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Author Topic:   The TRVE history of the Flood...
bluegenes
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Message 727 of 1352 (807926)
05-07-2017 3:12 AM
Reply to: Message 724 by CRR
05-06-2017 10:32 PM


How many giraffes on the Ark?
CRR writes:
We accept speciation within the kind. That we can get hybrids between species and even between genera supports this view.
The initial radiation from the Ark into different environments would have encouraged rapid speciation within the kinds. Each new species would have reduced genetic diversity compared to the original population so speciation would slow down. Also today most ecological niches are filled, reducing opportunity for speciation.
Do you mean that the two giraffes on the Ark had more genetic diversity than the modern population? Are you trying to make us laugh?
Actually, to get the modern divergence from a single ancestral population (of more than two) would take about 2 million years. At your YEC necessary mutation rate, from 4,500 years, every single giraffe that was born would have been genetically dead (too many detrimental mutations).
CRR writes:
However even today speciation can be quite rapid in the right circumstances. "The rapid appearance today, of new varieties of fish, lizards, and more defies evolutionary expectations but fits perfectly with the Bible." Speedy species surprise - creation.com
Those rapid adaptations will be, genetically, virtually identical to the parent populations, and they don't "defy" evolutionary expectations.
The 4 giraffe species show up to 2 million years worth of neutral divergence on their genomes. Even closely related subspecies within the 4 species show a minimum of 100,000 years worth of divergence from each other.
As for speciation slowing down, the subspecies observed (possibly nine) seem to indicate that it's ongoing.
And what about the Samotherium? Were they on the Ark?

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bluegenes
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Message 731 of 1352 (807938)
05-07-2017 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 728 by Davidjay
05-07-2017 8:41 AM


Translation job: Anyone speak Jayish?
Davidjay writes:
No negative comments should be posted HERE on this thread because it was moved to the biological evolution sub board so that only geological evolutionaries could comment on the Worldwide Flood.
If you want to talk about the Flood, I would assume you have to go to a MYTH BOARD where comments on evolution theory and biblical truths can be talked about.
Thanks.
The size and selection on the ARK and how many animals were inside I would assume is not allowed HEREIN on this board.
I tried Google translate, but it blew up in confusion. Does anyone speak enough Jayish to have an idea what he's on about here?

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bluegenes
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Message 742 of 1352 (807959)
05-07-2017 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 741 by Davidjay
05-07-2017 11:25 AM


Giraffes on the Ark. Advanced floodology.
Davidjay writes:
As requested, here is a proposed new topic in which Davidjay can enlighten us on the TRVE history of the Flood.
So, during the history of the flood, how many giraffes were on the Ark? Enlighten us.
There are currently 4 species, and ~9 subspecies of giraffe.

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