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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Faith, this needs to be repeated here. Old earth models are tested. Science.
A paper by eight professional geologists who are members of the Biblically conservative Presbyterian Church of America (PCA)http://www.asa3.org/...ics/Physical%20Science/EarthAntiquity From there.
One of the best ways of making a name for yourself in the scientific community is to challenge a widely held scientific understanding with a strongly defended alternative theory. It is thus of considerable significance that the tens of thousands of geologists worldwide are virtually in complete agreement that the question of the earth's age has been answered: roughly 4.6 billion years. The agreement is perhaps even more striking in the world of economic geology (oil and mineral exploration) where theories that lead to increased revenue always win, even if philosophically distasteful. Understanding the age of the earth and its layers plays a critical role in natural resource exploration, yet to our knowledge there is not a single oil or mining company anywhere in the world that uses a young-earth model to find or exploit new reserves. Old-earth models work. Young-earth models do not. Old earth models work and are employed by thousands of exploration and mining companies all over the world. Old earth models work. They put their money where their mouths are. Creationists don't. They preach a lot. That's it.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Faith writes: Yes we sure do. We do know that some "strata" take millions of years to form and other "strata" take minutes to form.
No you do not "know" any such thing.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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This one is funny.
Faith writes: Yeah, as if any forms of species have ever been demonstrated to be poofed into existence... All that changes in what I said is that it gives the cause of the loss of function as a mutation. Loss of function is the opposite of new information. It is exactly what we would expect of mutations though, of course, destructive rather than productive. This is not what we are led to expect of evolution, however. All change is not evolution.Besides that you have the usual definitional problem that plagues evolutionism. The built-in changes called "microevolution" in fact account for ALL observed changes. The ToE is pure conjecture, never demonstrated, and can't be demonstrated. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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davidjay writes: Really? Do they? No offense, but most evolutionists according to their mindset would have to say that their is no mathematics and design to the Great Pyramid of Enoch. I differ, you would to if you do the research. Maybe you have a misconception of what evolutionists do. Let's clear it up for you. Evolutionists study biology, not pyramids. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
I'm still trying to figure out why some people think that some huge flood that supposedly hit North America was also simultaneously supposed to happen all over the world...
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
He-he-he. This one is funny.
CRR writes: It's actually quite easy. Predict what's going to be found underground. Go for the methods of deposition, mining plans, etc. Billions spent. Of course when dealing with a past event like this it can be difficult to determine exactly what happened. This is a difficulty with all the historical sciences. Put your money where your mouth is. You don't want to do it and have lots of excuses, because you know that you are wrong.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
This one was funny.
Faith writes:
But it does not look like it was carved out by a river. the narrow parts maybe but not the wide parts.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Faith writes: Could you explain this to me, Faith? Could you specifically reference the Dwyka Group and the Ecca Group and the relevance of Walther's Law to those groups? Walther's Law itself is such an evidence, because it shows that the layers accumulate one on top of another in a relatively short period of time, as sea level rises, really just about simultaneously. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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This one is funny and also tragic. A person who thinks that the Cambrian is a layer claims that she could debunk a book written on those rocks by actual geologists who studied those rocks...
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Davidjay writes: Evolutionists study biology. Not continental drift. Geologists study plate tectonics, not biology. Different subjects. ...You suggested I NOT start a new thread on Continental Drift, and debating it with evolutionists... You got to accept reality, Davidjay. You seem to be, well, lets put it this way; waaaaay out of your league. You don't even know the basics. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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edge, you're trying to rationally explain geological processes to a person who is convinced and sincerely believes that the Cambrian is a layer...and that the Cambrian "layer"globally occurs beneath the surface everywhere... you really might as well try to have a rational conversation about geology with a parrot.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
DavidjayI shall start this other topic HERE, even though it happened 130 years after the Flood, as evolutionists deal with the guesswork of millions and billions of years of slow tetonic changes rather than the catstrophic ones seen by Darwin and Viekosky, etc etc etc etc, and another etc. Evolutionists deal with biology, not tectonics. Tectonics fall under geology. Not biology. Tectonics don't deal with evolutionary theory.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
CRR writes: Actually, Mount Everest contains marine fossils in the highest of the exposed sequences. Marine strata form part of the highest peaks of the Himalyays. Those fossils were fossilised in the rocks; not on top of them. Those fossils form part of the Himalayas. And those rocks, containing those marine strata with the fossils, still go higher above sea level at a rate of about 15 mm per year. It's measured. "Sea" rocks and fossils containing them and all...they grow up to be high above sea level. It's called plate tectonics. Even Everest has marine fossils in the top strata... You really should read a scientific book sometime, CRR. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Interseting, Faith, but it is so different than the rocks I studied. We don't have the Tejas or Zuni or Absaroka or any of the rest of those names or anything really equivalent to those.
I'm still trying to figure out why you think that what happened in North America could indicate a global flood?
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Pressie Member (Idle past 166 days) Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
This one is funny.
Faith writes: Anyone can have views, Faith. Any view, Faith. Crazy views, Faith. My view is that the high mountains were pushed up after the Flood by the tectonic force that started Continental Drift. Empirical, verifiable evidence for you view, Faith. That would matter. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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