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Rahvin
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Message 161 of 245 (504127)
03-24-2009 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Separatist Puritan
03-24-2009 6:34 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
I believe according to the Bible that we are already fixed, foreordained to Heaven or Hell from before the creation of the world.
This means that your deity specifically creates souls with the intent of torturing them for eternity.
This would be similar to a human being creating a sentient artificial intelligence, granting it the ability to feel pain, and then making it feel nothing but agony and despair forever.
That strikes me as the very definition of "evil."

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Rahvin
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Message 166 of 245 (504136)
03-24-2009 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Separatist Puritan
03-24-2009 7:33 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
Many times in the Scriptures we see where God sends evil and makes evil things happen. He created it and is in control of it. This is one of the many reasons we are instructed to fear God. His wrath is not something we color in Sunday school. We also see where the Scripture talks of the elect of God and the reprobate. So Yes I believe God creates some men to suffer eternally to make his wrath manifest and bring his Elect in to submission.
I'll say then, that if your deity does exist, I want nothing to do with him. Such a monster is not due any form of worship, and deserves only scorn and disgust. I call into question the moral character of any person who would actually worship a being that would do such a thing.

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Rahvin
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Message 178 of 245 (504176)
03-24-2009 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Separatist Puritan
03-24-2009 8:07 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
Evil is not a metaphysical substance. If we leave natural evil to the side ("calamities of nature") and talk about evil acted out by human beings, evil is an act of the will directed against God's law. Since God ordains all things, then it seems to follow that God "created" evil in the sense that he ordained sin.
Your definition of "evil" allows your deity to commit literally any act and have it defined as "good." If a human being rapes, tortures, and murders a bunch of children, you would call this "evil." If your deity does the exact same act, you call it "good."
That means I find your system of ethics to be despicable.
Your "delightful little article" is a demonstration of the complete and utter moral bankruptcy of Biblical ethics. Just from the very top:
quote:
Luke 21:20-24
God is speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem and Judah that he will bring about because Israel has gone after Baal and the grove. When God brings judgment on Jerusalem and Judah he will have pagan sweaty greasy Babylonian soldiers to rip the women up that are pregnant and have the babies bashed to pieces in the streets of Jerusalem.
God will cause mothers to be ripped up and the babies' brains to be bashed in.
Congratulations, you worship an imaginary sociopath.
Your system of ethics is the same one that allows mothers with postpartum depression to drown their children, simply because they believe "god told me to."
If you heard a voice in your head claiming to be your god, and that voice instructed you to kill a young child who lives next door, would you obey the voice? According to your system of ethics, if it is god, you are sinning if you disobey. What would you do?

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