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Separatist Puritan
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Message 133 of 245 (504053)
03-24-2009 10:05 AM


there should be a "War on Christmas"
I saw this thread and had to laugh.. I believe there should be a "War on Christmas" and "Easter" and all of the Roman Catholic Holy-Days (Holidays) They are all amalgamations of Christianity and Pagan traditions. Plus they all violate the Regulative Principle.
My family and I do not celebrate Christmas (The Christ Mass) nor do we celebrate Easter, St. Valentine's, St. Patrick's, Mardi Gras, or All Hallow's Eve (yes Halloween is a Roman Catholic holiday)
I just think it is funny (and sad) when I see Christians argue about keeping something "Cristian" that isn't even Christian to begin with.

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Separatist Puritan
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From: Austin, TX, USA
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Message 135 of 245 (504072)
03-24-2009 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by kuresu
03-24-2009 12:27 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
I am very well aware of the pagan origin of the days of the week as well. We call Sunday "Lord's Day" and associate the rest by the numeral date. But the topic was Holy-Days, Christ-Mass in particular.
Edited by Separatist Puritan, : No reason given.

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"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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From: Austin, TX, USA
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Message 138 of 245 (504079)
03-24-2009 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Straggler
03-24-2009 1:19 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
Straggler;
Not Roman Catholic ones.
We celebrate Thanksgiving, but that isn't really a holy-day. Christians have 52 Holy-Days a year we are commanded to follow in the Bible, according to the Regulative Principle, to celebrate Christ.
Edited by Separatist Puritan, : No reason given.

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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From: Austin, TX, USA
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Message 139 of 245 (504081)
03-24-2009 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Coragyps
03-24-2009 1:31 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
Coragyps;
http://www.reformedonline.com/view/reformedonline/xmas.htm
This document explains the Regulative Principle pretty well.
Edited by Separatist Puritan, : No reason given.

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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Message 141 of 245 (504084)
03-24-2009 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Straggler
03-24-2009 1:55 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
quote:
I assume that you mean Sundays. So what do you do on Sundays to celebrate Christ?
We pray, sing the psalms, listen to a Biblical Sermon and fellowship.
quote:
Where does it say that Sunday is to be celebrated as Christ's day? Is this in the bible somewhere?
It is a long story starting with the Sabbath of the old Testament. Of course we all know about the Sabbath and to "keep it holy", but the 7th day became the 1st day in church history.. Eastern Orthodox Church distinguishes between "the Sabbath" (Saturday) and "the Lord's Day" (Sunday) ... for more on the topic: The Sabbath Viewed in the Light of Reason, Revelation, and History with ... - James Gilfillan - Google Books
some scripture on it... Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2; Rev. 1:10; 1 Cor. 11:18
Edited by Separatist Puritan, : added scripture

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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From: Austin, TX, USA
Joined: 03-24-2009


Message 143 of 245 (504086)
03-24-2009 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Coragyps
03-24-2009 2:14 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
quote:
So your sect has only bishops and deacons as ministers, I presume?
Something like that. It follows the Calvinist wing of the Protestant Reformation. The Puritans separated from the Church of England and started coming to the New World (on the Mayflower etc.) I guess since I hold to the Westminster Standards you could call me Reformed Presbyterian.
quote:
And do you kill witches?
NO! ... the fire does that!..
LOL!!! I kid.
Edited by Separatist Puritan, : No reason given.
Edited by Separatist Puritan, : dBcode error

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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Message 145 of 245 (504094)
03-24-2009 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Coragyps
03-24-2009 3:05 PM


how like that are you guys?
THE officers which Christ hath appointed for the edification of his church, and the perfecting of the saints, are, some extraordinary, as apostles, evangelists, and prophets, which are ceased.
Others ordinary and perpetual, as pastors, teachers, and other church-governors, and deacons. - The Westminster Confession of Faith Of the Officers of the Church.
Edited by Separatist Puritan, : changing my answer.

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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From: Austin, TX, USA
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Message 147 of 245 (504103)
03-24-2009 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Straggler
03-24-2009 4:33 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
quote:
That doesn't seem like much fun. Do you guys ever celebrate in the sense of letting your hair down and partying in any way?
Not on Lord's Day, the other 6 days are fair game. In other words...Yes
Edited by Separatist Puritan, : No reason given.

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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Posts: 24
From: Austin, TX, USA
Joined: 03-24-2009


Message 149 of 245 (504105)
03-24-2009 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Separatist Puritan
03-24-2009 4:46 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
We are WAY off topic now...LOL

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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From: Austin, TX, USA
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Message 153 of 245 (504117)
03-24-2009 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Coragyps
03-24-2009 4:57 PM


Re: how like that are you guys?
Coragyps writes:
Nary a Bish in the crowd. Surely that has nothing to do with the Catholics and the Church of England having bishops, now could it? Timothy says you gotta have 'em, but the enemy sects have 'em already, so just ignore Timothy? Sorry to be such a pain about this, but I have never yet had a fundy/evangelical/etc. that rejects the office of bishop give me a reason why.
From what I have read the offices of Presbytery, Elder and Bishop are equivalent. I am no scholar of theology and am still new to the reformed faith so I know I am just scratching the surface of the topic..LOL. When Timothy was writing, the word Bishop comes from the Greek episkopē that means by implication superintendence. A man charged with the duty of seeing that things to be done by others are done rightly, any curator, guardian or superintendent. This is the same as the "Elder" of the church.

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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Message 154 of 245 (504118)
03-24-2009 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Straggler
03-24-2009 5:08 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
So you would celebrate your own birthday just like anyone else then?
I don't celebrate my birth.
And how do you celebrate? Music, food, booze.......?
Yes.. all of the above. I am a beer snob of sorts, and enjoy a puff on my pipe or a nice cigar as well. However if some one around me has a drinking problem or addiction I will not drink as to not hinder them.
What is off limits and what is on limits and what is the rationale for anything that is off/on which might be deemed unusually so by an outsider?
Well I guess orgies would be out of the question...LOL I guess what I mean is that we have a good time, but I cling to certain morals mostly involving the 10 commandments and Christ's instructions to living a holy lifestyle. I know that a lot of modern secular Christians like to point fingers at people and tell them they are going to Hell for the things they are doing.. I don't believe that. I don't believe our salvation is based on works.

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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From: Austin, TX, USA
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Message 156 of 245 (504121)
03-24-2009 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Straggler
03-24-2009 6:05 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
How about weddings?
yes
I have never got to grips with the cold, watery fizzy stuff you guys tend to call beer. More of an "ale" snob personally.
Woah woah woah!! LOL.. Ale is my preference. Guinness is my ale of choice. Stouts, Red Ales, Pale Ales, I like some Lagers as well. (Killian's)
Do you eat shellfish? Do you eat pork?
as much as humanly possible.
If we are not judged on what we do then, if one believes in judgement of any sort, on what are we judged?
I wasn't talking about judgment, I was talking about salvation.
Edited by Separatist Puritan, : better spacing

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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From: Austin, TX, USA
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Message 158 of 245 (504123)
03-24-2009 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Straggler
03-24-2009 6:19 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
I thought those things were frowned upon as a result of strict biblical interpretation?
Some do, but these things were a spiritual representation. Peter's vision in Acts 10:9-16 (in which he was told by the Lord to kill and eat the unclean animals) was a repeal of the Jewish dietary laws (however there is a critical teaching of this passage as well)
Oh. If one does not seek salvation is one not ajudged on that basis?
When it comes to salvation I believe in the biblical "predestination" that John Calvin and many other reformers and puritans preached; Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, Perseverance of the Saints. I believe in His judgment. But I believe according to the Bible that we are already fixed, foreordained to Heaven or Hell from before the creation of the world. In other words I believe that one can not change God's mind on our judgment. Salvation by God's grace not works.

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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From: Austin, TX, USA
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Message 160 of 245 (504126)
03-24-2009 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Straggler
03-24-2009 6:43 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade
How do you react to that line of thinking? Do you think that there is any truth in that quote?
Wow.. that is awesome.. I do agree with that statement, you can see the evidence of it everywhere. I love Textural Criticism, Etymology and Hermeneutics.
That is depressing! I might as well have that orgie I was planning after all.....
be sure to bring a camera. (and cream for chafing)
If God knows our future do we have any free-will in life? Or not? In your opinion.
No free will in salvation. I believe that God controls the desires of our hearts.. I believe that he is the creator and controller of all creation. I believe wicked men are instruments in the hand of a mighty God to carry out his pleasure. But lets say I want to pick up this Shiner Hefeweizen I am drinking and pour it on the floor, that would be my free will at work... But if I "choose" to follow Christ, that is because God put that desire in me. This is the big debate in Christianity known as Calvinism vs. Arminianism.

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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Separatist Puritan
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From: Austin, TX, USA
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Message 163 of 245 (504131)
03-24-2009 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Rahvin
03-24-2009 7:21 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
Rahvin writes:
That strikes me as the very definition of "evil."
1599 Geneva Bible writes:
Isiah 45:7- I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Many times in the Scriptures we see where God sends evil and makes evil things happen. He created it and is in control of it. This is one of the many reasons we are instructed to fear God. His wrath is not something we color in Sunday school. We also see where the Scripture talks of the elect of God and the reprobate. So Yes I believe God creates some men to suffer eternally to make his wrath manifest and bring his Elect in to submission.

-Separatist Puritan-
"If ever there should come a wretched day when all our pulpits be full of modern thought, and the old doctrine of substitutionary sacrifice shall be exploded, then there will remain no word of comfort for the guilty or hope for the despairing." - C. H. SPURGEON

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