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alacrity fitzhugh
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Message 52 of 245 (372443)
12-27-2006 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by anastasia
12-27-2006 1:09 PM


anastasia writes:
I don't make a habit out of defending Bush.
Then you should stop before you put foot in mouth like:
quote:
But there is a point to be made; if God does exist then we as a nation ARE under God, whether we believe in Him or not
Where in the Constitution is your god mention (hint no god is mentioned). where do you get of telling people whether they believe in something they still have to follow this imaginary things rules. You in just this short little sentence showed your intolerance of others, very unAmerican!
anastasia writes:
If a nation sets forth an ideal which must at some point be defended, only those who truly hold that ideal in their hearts can defend it without force.
It is this type of attitude that perpetuated the genocide of my ancestors. You again espouse intolerance to others that do not have your same type of superstition or have no superstition at all.
anastasia writes:
I have argued this point from another standpoint, that of Catholicism. Folks hate being threatened with excommunication
If your trying to equivocate a religious person being ex-communicated with an American being stripped of his citizenship for not believing in your god, that would show your lack of knowledge of the laws of the vary country you preface to love and honor.
Let's just boil it down to this; I am Catholic, I live in a neighborhood almost entirely comprised of Orthodox Russians, Hassidic Jews, and Hindus. I have no desire to escape it or fear of being 'awash' with a predominate culture. Bigotry is only a state of mind, and I sense it comes from all sides.
I live in the south, not some liberal northern city. Come on down, if you really want to find out what bigotry is really like.
anastasia writes:
Perhaps Bush was right to say that atheists are not
patriotic?
I have two honorable discharges for serving my country, do you even have one to show us your patriotic or talking out the side of your mouth.

Look to this day, For yesterday is already a dream. And tomorrow only a vision. But today We lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of Happiness and every tomorrow A vision of hope. Look well there to This day.

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alacrity fitzhugh
Member (Idle past 4364 days)
Posts: 194
Joined: 02-10-2004


Message 59 of 245 (372470)
12-27-2006 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by anastasia
12-27-2006 3:06 PM


anastasia writes:
If there is a god/s, we are under him/her/it/them. Is that better?
No. Arbitrarily trying to force one belief over another is still wrong!
Hint; I never mentioned a constitution or any imaginary things rules, whatever they are. In this short little paragraph you have showed your lack of comprehension and ability to add things into the conversation in a moment of passion.
No you did not. That seems to be the problem with you, you want to ignore the real law of the land and insert your book of myths.
anastasia writes:
If a nation promotes a religion, and they ask you to fight in the name of that religion, would you do it?
Since the US constitution does no promote any religion this question is moot.
anastasia writes:
I am forced to think you are simply not understanding me. I
No, I understand you, When you said
quote:
I do think that atheist are citizens, msg 50]
This shows you have now placed yourself and your religious views above the laws of this nation.
anastasia writes:
Since I expressly mentioned that our country has no rules of citizenship contigent on worship of any God, much less 'my' God, then it would be highly unlikely that I equivocated or even mentioned a stripping of citizenship.
Did you not state
quote:
I do think that atheist are citizens
msg 50]
I'm a citizen, if you do not think atheist are citizens then you are equivocating stripping me of my citizenship.
Would it be more patriotic to go war, or to refuse?
It counts on the situation, I remember Vietnam do you?
I have no idea how this relates to genocide. Perhaps you would connect the dots?
I'll type slower. Did you not state
quote:
If a nation sets forth an ideal which must at some point be defended
The ideal of manifest destiny perpetrated the most successfull act of genocide the world has ever known. Guess where and what religious group initiated it? Question , do you know what my avatar is about?
I do not know what makes you think liberal northerners can't be bigoted. They just change their focus.
Never said you can't, said if you want to see bigotry taking to the extreme come to the south. They use to have clauses when you purchased houses down here that it never could be resold to minorities or jews. Alabama took till 2000 to eradicate laws against interracial marriages. I could go on.
anastasia writes:
Since I expressly mentioned that our country has no rules of citizenship contigent on worship of any God, much less 'my' God
Did you not state
quote:
I do think that atheist are citizens
msg 50]
anastasia writes:
First off, having a military record is not possible for everyone.
quote:
If you are a citizen, you are. Only an individual knows to what extent their patriotism goes
quote:
Would it be more patriotic to go war, or to refuse? It would probably be more noble to refuse, but I think patriotism implies loving the ideals of your country.
The bold shows you think that one should defend the ideals of the country above the noble act of refusing to not fight for those ideals, right?
It also shows the extent of patriotism if someone is willing to lay their life on the line or, like you, pay lip service to making statements about defending your country
If an athesit is bothered by the overly 'christian' aspects of this country, then maybe they will be left feeling a little less than patriotic about it all. Its personal.
Poor anastasia, feeling persecuted. I don't feel threatened by you or christianity, it is you spouting of I do think that atheist are citizens I have never questioned your ability to be a citizen, just your lack of understanding of what is the law of this country ( the constitution ) and what is not ( your god and the bible).

Look to this day, For yesterday is already a dream. And tomorrow only a vision. But today We lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of Happiness and every tomorrow A vision of hope. Look well there to This day.

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alacrity fitzhugh
Member (Idle past 4364 days)
Posts: 194
Joined: 02-10-2004


Message 61 of 245 (372473)
12-27-2006 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2006 3:39 PM


nemesis_juggernaut writes:
alacrity fitzhugh writes:
Where in the Constitution is your god mention (hint no god is mentioned).
Its not found in the Constitution, but it is found in the Declaration of Independence.
The declaration is just that a declaration of independence from England. The laws come from the Constitution maybe you should read it?
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
How did Anastasia espouse intolerance, especially when calling her views intolerant is, itself, an act of intolerance?
quote:
I do think that atheist are citizens
msg 50
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
Are you suggesting that people are stripped of their citizenship for not believing in the Judeo-Christian God?
quote:
If your trying to equivocate a religious person being ex-communicated with an American being stripped of his citizenship for not believing in your god, that would show your lack of knowledge of the laws of the vary country you preface to love and honor
Do you see the if, that makes this a question not a statement.
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
I hate to break it to you, but bigotry exists everywhere. The most you can do is bridge gaps and teach others to do the same. Crying over spilled milk is pointless. Just be apart of the solution.
Has nothing to do with the issue I posted to.

Look to this day, For yesterday is already a dream. And tomorrow only a vision. But today We lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of Happiness and every tomorrow A vision of hope. Look well there to This day.

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