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Message 16 of 245 (370440)
12-17-2006 5:11 PM

Foamy has something to say about the War on Christmas.

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Message 56 of 245 (372459)
12-27-2006 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by alacrity fitzhugh
12-27-2006 1:32 PM

Where in the Constitution is your god mention (hint no god is mentioned).
Its not found in the Constitution, but it is found in the Declaration of Independence.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
What makes this line so great and so uniquely American is that it allows all faiths to believe as they do by using the term, "Creator." We have to remember that a major factor in the fight for sovereignty was that early Americans were fleeing religious persecution. Recognizing the rights of its citizens to worship freely without hindrance was a very important virtue in early colonial times. That in no way undermines the fact that the country itself was founded under Christian ideals. They just simply recognized that state sanctioned religion is a recipe for hate and disaster. Early Rome knew this and sought to respect the religious freedoms of others, presumably knowing that suppressing their faith beliefs would just cause a division among the people and they might rebel.
It is this type of attitude that perpetuated the genocide of my ancestors.
Who are your ancestors?
You again espouse intolerance to others that do not have your same type of superstition or have no superstition at all.
How did Anastasia espouse intolerance, especially when calling her views intolerant is, itself, an act of intolerance?
If your trying to equivocate a religious person being ex-communicated with an American being stripped of his citizenship for not believing in your god, that would show your lack of knowledge of the laws of the vary country you preface to love and honor.
Are you suggesting that people are stripped of their citizenship for not believing in the Judeo-Christian God? That would be absurd if so. Just ask the American atheists on the forum if they're citizenship has been revoked.
I live in the south, not some liberal northern city. Come on down, if you really want to find out what bigotry is really like.
I hate to break it to you, but bigotry exists everywhere. The most you can do is bridge gaps and teach others to do the same. Crying over spilled milk is pointless. Just be apart of the solution.
I have two honorable discharges for serving my country, do you even have one to show us your patriotic or talking out the side of your mouth.
Its pretty hard to get an other than honorable discharge, so that's not really a reflection of how patriotic someone is. Aside from which, while I would agree that the military is mostly comprised of nationalists, that isn't the rule. Atheists are in the military too, of course. I've met quite a few of them in my time. In either case, thank you for serving your your country.

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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Message 63 of 245 (372554)
12-28-2006 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by nator
12-27-2006 3:59 PM

Are you talking about the Puritans, or the Founding Fathers here?
Puritans fled from religious persecution who were the parents and grandparents of the Founding Fathers.
The point is, Juggs, that Bush Sr., a US president, stated that American Athiests shouldn't be considered citizens.
Bush Sr comment on how he feels is irrelevant to the state of affairs of an entire nation which Alacrity seemed to imply.
I've listened to the people who called in to C-SPAN when the man who wanted to get "under god" removed from the pledge was a guest. Many of them vehemently told him to get out of America, and consistently proclimed that Athiests shouldn't have any rights, and even that Athiests should be imprisoned.
I guess it goes both ways because I've heard the same vehemence going in the opposite direction. People are entitled to get pissy if they want. It just won't do a lot of good except to further stigmatize themselves, IMO.
As it is, I am very careful to whom I reveal that I don't believe in any supernatural god/s. Most of my family doesn't even know.
Your family doesn't know? Why not?
Nobody's had their US citizenship revoked because they are black, but that doesn't mean there isn't systematic racism and persecution and oppression.
Who exactly is systematically persecuting and oppressing black people, other than a dying breed like the KKK who has about as much clout as the girl scouts? The only fear facing most black people today is the fear of being patronized to death.

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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