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New Cat's Eye
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Message 34 of 245 (372301)
12-26-2006 12:51 PM


Lithodid-Man writes:
Catholic Scientist writes:
it was just some stupid/funny email that was getting passed around. I don't really know what the story behind the war on christmas thingy is but I let you know what I think it is.
I think some leftwing nutjob bitched about getting wished a Merry Christmas from a greeter at Wal*Mart (IIRC, it coulda been another store) because the whiny little bitch wasn't christian and didn't want to hear it. So, Wal*Mart's (or whatever store) respons is to not allow the greeters to wish people Merry Christmas, it has to be Happy Holidays, or something along those lines that isn't specific to any religion.
That's pretty fuckin' retarded in my opinion.
Yes it is, but the operating factor is that this "what you think it is"
Well, even if I am inaccurate in what happened at Wal*Mart, maybe we can illustrate how nutty of a job these left-wingers can be (I’ll most likely be told what I believe and how I’m evil and want all this bad stuff to happen to a bunch of people, which I don’t) But that’s just how the nutjobs seem to operate.
What is this email? What is the source?
I have no idea where it came from and it was obviously a (bad?) joke.
Walmart did indeed, suggest to its greeters to use 'holiday' instead of Christmas but nowhere could I find any source to where the corporation made them do so.
Ok, and I have no sources either. But what I heard was that Wal*Mart employees were forbidden to say Merry Christmas and that they must use Happy Holidays, or something similar that is non-specific to any religion. This was a response to a complaint from a non-christian being wished Merry Christmas and being “offended” by it. Maybe it never happened, I don’t know, but if that is what happened then I stand by my claim that it is fucking retarded.
schraf writes:
quote:
With all this be-careful-not-to-offend-anyone crapola catching on, the season's greetings is changing in a step in the direction of the one to the democrats in the email I quoted.
Yeah, having good manners IS a bunch of crapola.
I say, if people aren't Christian, they should just suck it up.
Don't they realize that the United States of America is a CHRISTIAN NATION?
What this “War on Christmas” email exemplifies is the crapola that us rightwing nutjobs think is retarded. The be-careful-not-to-offend-anyone mentality gets so insane that Merry Christmas is offensive and banned. Merry Christmas is not offensive and it is not ”good manners’ to say Happy Holidays. If you’re offended by Merry Christmas then you’re either trying to be offended, lying about the offense, of too sensitive to deserve any respect.
schraf writes:
quote:
Having good manners would have been thanking someone for wishing you a Merry Christmas, not bitching about it because you're not Christian.
Is it good manners to assume everybody is the same religion as you are?
Wishing someone a Merry Christmas is not assuming they are the same religion as you. How many non-christians celebrate christmas every year? Lets just say ”lots’. You don’t have to be christian to celebrate christmas so there is no assumtion necessary in the greeting.
Here’s my reply from that thread .
Me writes:
You don't have to be christian to celebrate christmas, and most people do celebrate christmas, whether they are christian or not, so to not say Merry Christmas becuase of a small percentage of the population might get offended is retarded. Especially, when 99% of the people you say that to, will be celebrating christmas anyways.
kjsimmons reply to: writes:
So having "Good manners" is all about putting up with other people's bullshit religions and holidays with a smiling happy face?
No, its good manners to NOT BITCH ABOUT IT, you don't have to smile.
And how is being wished a merry christman PUTTING UP with something?
Actually, really good manners is to try and not to force you views on strangers. Your view is that, since Christians are the majority in this country, that we non-christians should just suck it up and put on a happy (non-bitching) face. So you just don't care about people who aren't Christians, they can just shutup about it already as far as you are concerned. You do know that the Christian religion isn't the largest organized religion on the planet?
My Reply was:
quote:
Actually, really good manners is to try and not to force you views on strangers.
You mean like forcing the view that greeters shouldn't say Merry Christmas, if you are saying that is bad manners then I agree.
Wishing someone a Merry Christmas isn't forcing your views on them. Conversly, demanding that people don't use the phrase 'Merry Christmas' IS forcing your views on people.
How is wishing someone a Merry Christmas forcing your view, or anything at all, on them. The only force that I heard about was that people were forced to NOT say Merry Christmas. That is forcing your view on someone, forbidding them to do something. Responding to a “perceived” force with “actual” force. Is it denial or is it really nuttery?
kjsimmons writes:
Your view is that, since Christians are the majority in this country, that we non-christians should just suck it up and put on a happy (non-bitching) face. So you just don't care about people who aren't Christians, they can just shutup about it already as far as you are concerned.
This is a great example of the left-wing nutjobs that I am talking about. Claiming that I don’t care about people who aren’t christian and telling me what my view is. Its really annoying and only makes me dislike liberals even more. If the left and the right want to get along then this is one of the things that the left needs to cut out.
RAZD writes:
You mean like forcing the view that greeters shouldn't say Merry Christmas, if you are saying that is bad manners then I agree.
To my mind, this whole "issue" of the "war" on christmas is just another right wing christian ploy to force their religion onto other people.
They not only want to force people to be greeted with a christian greeting, they want to force workers - whether they are christian or NOT to MAKE the greeting. By guilt and oppression.
The campaign against wallmart shows the venality of this position: there are MUCH better reasons to boycott and protest wallmart, yet they skip over those issue to push an agenda instead.
Real manners would involve determining FIRST if the person were christian or not before offering a christian greeting.
But maybe I come from an older generation that is out of touch when I feel it was just good manners not to wear your religion (or politics) all over your clothes.
Religion is between you and your god eh?
Enjoy.
I’ll reply one at a time:
To my mind, this whole "issue" of the "war" on christmas is just another right wing christian ploy to force their religion onto other people.
Why do you see it that way? I don’t see how this is forcing religious views. If a Mexican says “Hola” to me am I suppose to get offended because he is forcing his language on me?
They not only want to force people to be greeted with a christian greeting, they want to force workers - whether they are christian or NOT to MAKE the greeting. By guilt and oppression.
If Wal*Mart forced their employees to say “Merry Christmas” then that would be fucking retarded too.
Real manners would involve determining FIRST if the person were christian or not before offering a christian greeting.
Seriously? That’s pretty impractical and unnecessary. Its impractical because it’s a greeting . they aren’t there to have a conversation with you to determine your religious beliefs. Are you suggesting they use a pre-greeting greeting? Whats wrong with just using whatever greeting they’re conformable with. I wouldn’t be offended walking into a Wal*Mart and getting wished a Happy Hanukah . Its unneccesary because people shouldn’t be offended by it in the first place.
But maybe I come from an older generation that is out of touch when I feel it was just good manners not to wear your religion (or politics) all over your clothes.
Religion is between you and your god eh?
What if you want to? You really think that is bad manners? If so, we really have different opinions on manners, and admittedly, mine are a lot looser.
But yeah, religion is between you and god (unless you’re evangelical), but that doesn’t mean that we can’t even mention it. Or that we can’t use a greeting with a religious connotation. And Merry Christmas isn’t even necessarily christian so the connotation shouldn’t even be there.
Jon writes:
I'm not Christian, and people wish me a Merry Christmas all the time? H
How many people actually celebrate the holiday in its traditional sense anyhow? To most people, I'd say, it's just Jingle Bells and pine trees. Fat dude with presents, cookies, etc.
So, why be so uptight about the whole Christmas thing? If someone wished you a happy Fourth of July, would you be offended if you were a visiting Canadian?
Nevertheless, I still refrain from wishing people Merry Christmas, 'cause of the few crazy people out there who are insane.
And that is what I think is fucking retarded. I have to watch what I say because of a “few crazy people”. Fuck that. And fuck them if they are offended.
How many people actually celebrate the holiday in its traditional sense anyhow? To most people, I'd say, it's just Jingle Bells and pine trees. Fat dude with presents, cookies, etc.
Part of my point exactly, Merry Christmas is not necessarily a christian greeting.
So, why be so uptight about the whole Christmas thing? If someone wished you a happy Fourth of July, would you be offended if you were a visiting Canadian?
Another part of my point, even if it is christian, it isn’t even offensive.
Lithodid-Man writes:
And it certainly was not in response to some "leftwing nutjob". Every legitimate source I could find claimed it was "Following the lead of the Whitehouse..." It is all mute anyhow because this year they can say Merry Christmas.
Yeah, I’d be willing to bet that the whole walmart thing didn’t even happen but snopes said it did so it must be true
I have until now had the greatest respect for your posts.
Well, how about now? Wait a minute, you’re gonna lose respect for my other (respectable) posts because of that one (disrespectful) post? Does it really affect my other posts that much?
Here you rely on anectdotes to insult a significant number of the American people.
I just like insulting liberals. I think its fun and its easy to get a rise out of them. Some of the stuff I post on the internets is total bullshit. Semi-trolling, engaging people. I hope you can tell when I’m being serious and when I’m not, but probably not always. The insulting stuff only comes out because of the anonymity, or if I’m pissed off because of something in RL. I do find liberals to be really annoying though.
I want to discuss this so called "War on Christmas" that comes up every year. I know a big part of it is the removal of manger scenes from public parks and such. But I suspect it is huge issue nationwide created by fundies.
I don’t really know anything about the “War on Christmas” stuff. The only thing I really heard was that Wal*Mart employees are not allowed to say Merry Christmas. That kinda pisses me off, if it is true. Other than that I haven’t heard much nor have I really discussed it. This discussion and the one in the humor thread is 99% of what I’ve said about it, ever.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 35 of 245 (372302)
12-26-2006 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by crashfrog
12-17-2006 3:36 PM


Re: Another Issue of Extremes
It's an example of the Christian persecution complex, which is so acute that they have to invent fictitious examples of persecution in order to justify their obsession with being persecuted
that's hilarious. I believe you, no joke.
Nobody's complaining about "Merry Christmas". It hasn't happened. The War on Christmas is made up. Stories of Wal-mart or Crate and Barrel making their employees not mention Christmas are fake. Neither company has done this.
I could believe that WalMart never even said it. It is on snops though, did you see that?
The "War on Christmas" doesn't exist.
Honestly, I haven't seen much of a War on Christmas. Here, is the most discussion I've had about it.
But I wouldn't say it doesn't exists, at all. People are tying to make it more inclusive, less offensive, and less chrisian specific, I dunno if that's a War but something is going on.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 36 of 245 (372337)
12-26-2006 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Lithodid-Man
12-16-2006 8:44 AM


Have a "Yes" in your 'Replies Await's column
I responded to this message with a General Reply and am using this message so you will be notified that I have responded.
I quoted a few other people in that General Reply but I'm not going to go through and do this for everyone. Hopefully they see this/it.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 43 of 245 (372426)
12-27-2006 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by RAZD
12-26-2006 8:42 PM


So you DO agree that it is a religious greeting and has not been secularized as the rest of your rant suggests. You can't have it both ways, as that is the logical fallacy of equivocation.
It is either devoid of all religious connotations or it is a religious greeting.
Or its in the middle. It is a greeting that was once religious but is on the way to being devoid of religious connotations. But I don’t really want to argue this point, I don’t really care enough.
Its impractical because it’s a greeting . they aren’t there to have a conversation with you to determine your religious beliefs.
Which is precisely WHY saying "happy holidays" is a preferable greeting, it covers all the bases and doesn't offend anyone
I agree that it is preferable, in general. I’m not arguing that Merry Christmas is a better greeting, my point is there is nothing wrong with it.
What I disagree with is saying that someone shouldn’t be allowed to use Merry Christmas. I also disagree that there is anything wrong with using Merry Christmas as opposed to Happy Holidays. And I’m not going to “bend over backwards”, so to speak, to try to avoid offending ultra-sensitive people. When I wish someone, who I know nothing about, a Merry Christmas, I am not assuming they are christian, I am not forcing my religion on them, and I am not being offensive. If you take offense to my greeting, then tough titty.
RAZD, I realize that you haven’t argued for any of those . is just some more
quote:
Typical right-wing doesn't-get-it rant
I'm not talking about walmart but Bill O'Riley and his ilk that have created this whole false "war" by playing up every little slight to christians they can find (walmart being one, the Daily Show being another) whether factual or not (Bill O'Riley has never been hampered by facts before, why start now?).
It's the old poor martyred christian guilt trip passive aggressive non-sense, and it is being repeated year after year NOT because of "politically correct" leftwing "nutjobs" but because of certified nutjobs like O'Riley and his ilk that want to feel smug, secure and superior about being poor persecuted christians.
It is happening every year NOT because people are "outlawing" celebrations of christmas but because people like O'Riley want to make "merry christmas" with all it's religious connotations (and false christian baggage) the "greeting" of record (not choice).
Heh, that sounds like a typical left-wing doesn’t-get-it rant. Does anybody really “get it”?
Why do you see it that way? I don’t see how this is forcing religious views. If a Mexican says “Hola” to me am I suppose to get offended because he is forcing his language on me?
"Hola" is hello. Secular. It is not "have a merry christ mass" - a wishing of a merry time at a specifically christian religious ceremony in honor of a specifically christian icon.
So, its only because it has to do with religion, interesting .
AND because it is just one more example in a LONG line, where christianity has tried to take over celebrations of other cultures and other religious celebrations and bury them while pretending to be the reason for celebrations that are going on.
I think the right-wing NJ’s feel like the “War on Christmas” is one more example in a long line, where chritianity gets blamed for a bunch of crap and people try to tie it down.
It's more like white folk complaining of discrimination than any real "war" on "christmas" imh(ysa)o.
WAAAY off topic, lets not get me started . . I'm my proofread I just realised that I think I misread what you said here, just ignore this part.
Yeah, saying Merry Christmas shouldn’t be offensive, the holiday isn’t christian anymore. Just because it the greeting, Merry Christmas, started off as christian, and still has the word christ in it doesn’t mean that it can’t be used without the connotation.
So don't tell me that a greeting wishing me to hold a mass in honor of christian icon that has been set up specifically to subvert a winter holiday has anything to do with these elements of yule time celebrations, when it is really part of the christian "war" on yuletime.
When I tell people “Merry Christmas”, I am not telling them “to hold a mass in honor of christian icon”. That’s not how the phrase is used. WRT the christian war on yuletime, we better not go there. It would probably just bring out the troll in me
I don’t see how this is forcing religious views.
If you still think that then you are blind, deaf, in denial, and willfully ignorant.
Well, then I don’t know which one I am . maybe in denial. There’s definitely been a christian war on yuletime that has “forced” religious views, but I still don’t accept that wishing someone a Merry Christmas is forcing anything nor offensive.
Personally I think the "holiday" has become a celebration of american crassness, ignorance, hypocrisy, corporate greed, blatant consumerism, and one-up-manship displays.
No wonder the RW NJ’s want to “take back” christmas. At least it might become respectable again.
Enjoy.
I did, thanks.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 44 of 245 (372427)
12-27-2006 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Omnivorous
12-26-2006 10:12 PM


CS writes:
What is this email? What is the source?
I have no idea where it came from and it was obviously a (bad?) joke.
No, not a joke: it was propaganda meant to stoke the demonization of non-Christians and the maintenance of a Christian sense of persecution. Like all propagandists, the author depends on it being mindlessly repeated by true believers like... you.
I did mindlessly repeat it
I’m not so sure I’m a “true” believer.
WRT propaganda, its difficult to know which side to believe. I have to look for myself. I’ve admitted that in my day-to-day life, I’ve seen little to no evidence of a WAR on christmas. But the left does seem to be invading its territory. If the war hasn’t begun, it at least looks like one is being prepared for. Maybe the christians are jumping the gun, but if it gonna be a fight . .. makes me thing of a line from a song.\\
Children of Bodom writes:
If you want peace, prepare for war.
Christians have been powerful players in the Western world for about 1700 years now. You'd think they'd drop that pathetic victim act,
Could you honestly say that they are not victimized at all?
but I won't hold my breath--that'll happen about the time the Vatican sells off its treasures to feed the hungry, and the televangelists spend their income stream on healing the sick.
<.<
>.>

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Message 45 of 245 (372428)
12-27-2006 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by ReverendDG
12-27-2006 12:19 AM


nah its mostly the nutty right-wingers who want more persicution of thier beliefs, so they can whine about how unfair people are
To me, it looks like a response not an initiation.
well as a walmart employee i can without a doubt tell you that what people are circulating, is 100% grade-A Bullshit
I believe you.
(I worked at walmar when I was 16 for a couple months. Boy was it shitty.)
walmart would never force anyone to say what they don't want to say, the fact is there are 3 greeting we do, and all 3 of them get complained about!
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you just can't win!
People are gonna bitch about something, no matter what. Its annoying. From my point of view, the left does more bitching, but I could have a biased perspective. Every once in a while, I like to jump in and do a little bitching back.
What this “War on Christmas” email exemplifies is the crapola that us rightwing nutjobs think is retarded. The be-careful-not-to-offend-anyone mentality gets so insane that Merry Christmas is offensive and banned. Merry Christmas is not offensive and it is not ”good manners’ to say Happy Holidays. If you’re offended by Merry Christmas then you’re either trying to be offended, lying about the offense, of too sensitive to deserve any respect.
i might agree with you, but its kind of narrowing your view of other peoples points, not everyone celebrates christmas, how would you feel if someone wished you a happy winter solstice?
I couldn’t care less.
i think flipping out and screaming at the person is a little much, but having someone wish me a marry christmas is ignorent of others religions, its a sure sign that the person doesn't care about anything outside of christianity
I think you’re wrong here, at least in the way that I use the greeting. I’m aware of the other religions and don’t include the religious connotation in the greeting, and I certainly care about things outside of christianity. In the same way that you are saying that christians are making up persecution, the people who are offended be the greeting are falsy including ignorance and offense into the greeting.
yes a majority of people are christians in this country, but not everyone is a christian, so i do consider it rude to assume they are, so IMO happy holidays is a better greeting to people you don't know
I don’t think Merry Christmas is better, I just don’t think its bad. I can agree that Happy Holidays is better but, personally, I’m not used to it. Merry Christmas comes naturally, as that’s what I was raised to say, and I don’t think I should have to change because of a few people’s perceived offense from it.
Wishing someone a Merry Christmas is not assuming they are the same religion as you. How many non-christians celebrate christmas every year? Lets just say ”lots’. You don’t have to be christian to celebrate christmas so there is no assumtion necessary in the greeting.
to a lot of people it is,
and a lot of people believe in creationism but we can agree that we shouldn’t change a science curriculum to appease them. We shouldn’t change the holiday greeting to appease these people either.
i don't think forced is the right word, more, i think, assuming a view of all people, by saying merry christmas, i look at it as an annoyence, when someone assumes i celebrate xmas, simply because its close to it, it simply seems like people who say merry christmas are ignoring others in favor of this holiday
If it’s a greeting to a stranger the odds are that the person will be celebrating christmas in some way. The vast majority of people, in america at least, do. Its doesn’t assume that everyone does, but I’m not gonna to NOT use a greeting I prefer because of a small fraction of people that might get offended.
Why do you see it that way? I don’t see how this is forcing religious views. If a Mexican says “Hola” to me am I suppose to get offended because he is forcing his language on me?
yes sir, the analogy just died a bitter death
Huh?
If Wal*Mart forced their employees to say “Merry Christmas” then that would be fucking retarded too.
i think walmarts execs are a bit smarter than that, walmart may like the downhome christian image they try to perpecuate, but they would insult a ton of people who arn't christians, jews, athiests, muslims,pagans,etc
We can probably steer away from the walmart thing. Its not really about them so much now.
Seriously? That’s pretty impractical and unnecessary. Its impractical because it’s a greeting . they aren’t there to have a conversation with you to determine your religious beliefs. Are you suggesting they use a pre-greeting greeting? Whats wrong with just using whatever greeting they’re conformable with. I wouldn’t be offended walking into a Wal*Mart and getting wished a Happy Hanukah . Its unneccesary because people shouldn’t be offended by it in the first place.
oRLY?
YaRLY
you may claim you wouldn't be offended by a greeting from someone you hardly know, but i doubt that very much, you might try to not be but like everyone else, you would be a bit. thats why happy holidays is better, everyone has some form of winter holiday in every religion
Believe me, I wouldn’t be offended.
Sure, Happy Holidays might be better, but if I prefer the worse greeting, I don’t want people saying its wrong that I used it.
What if you want to? You really think that is bad manners? If so, we really have different opinions on manners, and admittedly, mine are a lot looser.
i think it is bad manners, i think your religion is irrelevent to me and can bring only bad connotations rather than good for most people
I don’t think its bad manner because when I wish a stranger a Merry Christmas, it lacks the religious connotation and makes no assumption of their religion.
it is christian, it doesn't matter if you focus on santa or christ more, the holiday is christan, by the very fact of the name and were it came from, plus more people celebrate it about christ than santa, its the only time a lot of people go to church even, the mind of most people believe its christan, so it is by most people
More reason for it NOT to be wrong to say it if the odds are the person you’re saying it too is celebrating the christian holiday.
And that is what I think is fucking retarded. I have to watch what I say because of a “few crazy people”. Fuck that. And fuck them if they are offended.
well then i guess you can't be offended by anything then, i've head a few christians complain about the happy holiday stuff when they want people to say merry christmas, its idiotic both ways
You’re right, christians shouldn’t try to make people say MC instead of HH.
Off the top of my head I can’t think of anything specific that offends me but I’m sure there something.
Part of my point exactly, Merry Christmas is not necessarily a christian greeting.
maybe it isn't to you, but to most of the rest of the world it is
Well they’re wrong if they thing that it is a necessity that the greeting is christian.
Another part of my point, even if it is christian, it isn’t even offensive.
it is to people who might be jewish or muslim or people who find chistianity offensive, or the person might find your assuption of them being christian offensive
Well, I don’t assume they’re christian. But anyways, I don’t understand why they get offended by it. Especially when I’m not making that assumption and the greeting isn’t necessarily christian.
Yeah, I’d be willing to bet that the whole walmart thing didn’t even happen but snopes said it did so it must be true
maybe they tried to do this, but i've been working there since 2004 and they never asked us to do anything like that
Ok, I’m willing to drop the walmart-specific issues.
I just like insulting liberals. I think its fun and its easy to get a rise out of them. Some of the stuff I post on the internets is total bullshit. Semi-trolling, engaging people. I hope you can tell when I’m being serious and when I’m not, but probably not always. The insulting stuff only comes out because of the anonymity, or if I’m pissed off because of something in RL. I do find liberals to be really annoying though.
about the same with conservitives really, its like poking a bear with a stick, but liberals are more squishy than conservitives, who on the other hand can be so dense they wouldn't know humour if you smacked them with a sign with humour!! in big letters and neon
Decent analogy. The liberals are over-sensitive too, to the point that I got to walk on pins and needles and be more careful than I’m willing to be. Then they get mad when I’m not, and they become the ones who are trying to force other people to do thing.
I don’t really know anything about the “War on Christmas” stuff. The only thing I really heard was that Wal*Mart employees are not allowed to say Merry Christmas. That kinda pisses me off, if it is true. Other than that I haven’t heard much nor have I really discussed it. This discussion and the one in the humor thread is 99% of what I’ve said about it, ever.
as i said, its bullshit, no one, no matter how little they care about employees like the owners of walmart, would do such a thing and get away with it
there are too many people who are religious, who work for walmart, for them to make such a stupid move
they may have tried it, but walmart knows how far they can bend something before a majority of buyers complain
Point taken.

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Message 46 of 245 (372429)
12-27-2006 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by nator
12-27-2006 9:04 AM


quote:
maybe we can illustrate how nutty of a job these left-wingers can be
Who are the "left-wingers", exactly?
Don’t worry about it . .

quote:
I just like insulting liberals. I think its fun and its easy to get a rise out of them.
You know what that makes you? It makes you a childish dick who never outgrew pubescent playground antics.
It was fun then and its fun now. Although, admittedly, I much less of a childish dick face to face. And because your on the playground by choice and can leave whenever you want, I don’t feel bad for being the bully. Its all in good fun, IMHO. No harm, no foul.
I'm interested in having grown-up, serious political discussions. If all you can bring to the table is trolling, then please bugger off.
No, I think I’ll stick around, I kinda like it here. I’m interested in at least enjoying my time here. Grown-up serious political discussions don’t interest me much, and they’re boring. I can bring more than just trolling to the table, but I will bring a little, for extra flavor.
Don't waste my time.
Nah, you are the only one who can waste your time here. I can’t make you do anything.
The thing is, CS, the stuff you post, (just for fun we are to understand) that you think is "total bullshit, semi-troll" stuff?
I don’t understand the question, is the grammar incorrect?
There are dozens, if not hundreds, of right wingers posting that bullshit (and much more extreme bullshit) all over the net and they all believe what they are writing is 100% correct and true. Many of these are major blogger or religious sites with tens of thousands of hits each day.
link please. Maybe I’ll troll them for a while
So, CS, if you want to discuss politics with those of us at the grown up table, you will have to get some manners.
Actually, I won’t. Unless the “grown-ups” stop replying. And in reality, as a voting citizen I’m at the grown-up table already so yall better get used to us ill-manner children joining you.

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Message 47 of 245 (372430)
12-27-2006 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by anastasia
12-27-2006 11:27 AM


Personally I am happy to be greeted in any way that is synomous to the culture. If a person celebrates Hannukuh and wishes to include me in their joy or extend sincere wishes that my Hannukah be as joyful as theirs, it makes no difference to me whether I actually do celebrate Hannukah or not.
Maybe that's because you're not a left-wing nutjob.
In this sense I do find people who complain about greetings to be silly.
For the record, I do too.

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Message 65 of 245 (372556)
12-28-2006 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Hyroglyphx
12-28-2006 12:25 PM


quote:
Are you suggesting that people are stripped of their citizenship for not believing in the Judeo-Christian God? That would be absurd if so. Just ask the American atheists on the forum if they're citizenship has been revoked.
...
Nobody's had their US citizenship revoked because they are black, but that doesn't mean there isn't systematic racism and persecution and oppression.
Who exactly is systematically persecuting and oppressing black people, other than a dying breed like the KKK who has about as much clout as the girl scouts? The only fear facing most black people today is the fear of being patronized to death.
I think her point was that even though atheist's citezenships aren't being revoked, they are still systematically persecuted and oppressed. Blacks were just used as an example, IIUC.

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Message 103 of 245 (373666)
01-02-2007 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by RAZD
12-30-2006 4:54 PM


Re: honesty betrayed
Message 34
I just like insulting liberals. I think its fun and its easy to get a rise out of them. Some of the stuff I post on the internets is total bullshit. Semi-trolling, engaging people. I hope you can tell when I’m being serious and when I’m not, but probably not always.
This is such a good basis for honest debate.
Its not the basis for the debate but it is the basis for posting a joke in the humor thread.
I guess this means we can't really trust a thing you say as being an honest statement of your personal position eh?
On an anonymous internet forum? Of course you can’t. But we can assume people are being honest and put our trust in that assumption in order to have a progressive discussion. Most of what I post is honest.
Can you demonstrate that anything you say should be taken as an honest position?
How could I prove it and remain anonymous?
I do find liberals to be really annoying though.
Especially when they are right and you just can't admit being wrong.
I can admit when I’m wrong.
No wonder the RW NJ’s want to “take back” christmas. At least it might become respectable again.
December in reality has nothing to do with the christian "celebration" mythos to begin with, so there is nothing to "take back" - if you disagree, then show me the evidence: historical documentation of some part of the "christmas story" that shows actual records with correlations to some december date.
I disagree that there is nothing to take back but I don’t think that December has to have something to do with the christian celebration to begin with in order for there to be something to take back.
Why should there be "respect" for a mythos adapted, altered or made up to cover the hi-jacking of some other cultural celebration(s)?
Why should there NOT be?
I wouldn’t be offended by someone wishing me a happy Kwanzaa, nor would I say that their mythos deserves no respect, nor would I say that they shouldn’t be allowed to wish people a Happy Kwanzaa and that they must use Happy Holidays instead.
Why should people not be allowed to use their preferred greeting when it does not assume that everyone is that religion, when it should not be taken offensively, and when it is not forcing beliefs on the receiver of the greeting?
I can see why people claim that if someone wishes me a Happy Kwanzaa that it assumes that I will actually be celebrating Kwanzaa but with Christmas, there are tons of non-Christian people who celebrate it so there needn’t be a religious assumption in the greeting.
A lot of people celebrate Christmas now-a-days, it doesn’t matter that they didn’t do it to begin with. What we have now is a NEW mythos (Happy Holidays) adapted, altered or made up to cover the hi-jacking of Christmas. I would rather that we didn’t remove Christmas from the holiday greetings because that is my preferred holiday, along with the majority in this country, and there is nothing wrong with using it. I think that forcing people to remove it and replace it with Happy Holidays is what is wrong. We should let people use the greeting they prefer and tolerate them, right?
If you want respect for a christian celebration then stop spreading falsehoods and start basing it on reality: stop telling kids (etc) that december 25th is when christ was born, because that certainly is not so.
In my upbringing we were always told that Dec 25th was when celebrated the birth of Jesus, not that he was actually born on that day.
From Message 27.
But it is really ludicrous, imh(ysa)o, when december has nothing to do with christianity, and it is "christians" that are complaining about their "holiday" being stolen.
But Dec. does have something to do with Christianity, it has been assigned as the time to celebrate Jesus’ birth. Just because it wasn’t that to begin with doesn’t mean it has nothing to do with it.
If people want to remove Christmas for the holiday greeting then they can, but they shouldn’t say that other people should not be allowed use it. Nor should they poison the well by claiming that it assumes everyone is that religion, is offensive, or tries to force beliefs on them.

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Message 210 of 245 (596174)
12-13-2010 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Apothecus
12-10-2010 2:42 PM


Re: Grinch Alert!
I'd really enjoy wishing all my patients a Happy Saturnalia, but judging by the responses I've gotten from those Christians whom I've informed of this little tidbit, it'd be somewhat hard on business.
Last panel is for you, Charlie Brown:

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Message 211 of 245 (596176)
12-13-2010 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by frako
12-10-2010 7:34 PM


You still have to ask on witch dates.
What is it about being on a date with a witch that is required for asking those questions?
But it doesn't have to be recorded in this, right?:
And instead, couldn't you just use No webpage found at provided URL: this website ?
I hope you can laugh at your own engrish...
Its "which" not "witch"
Oh, and the other one I see from you a lot is using "tough" instead of "though". The first one is pronounced "tuff", an adjective meaning strong, and and the second one is "thowe", the conjunction you want to be using.
But I see you have added caps and spacing and quotes and paragraphs n'stuff so thank you for that!
Just havin a little fun with you, frako... I couldn't pass up a great line. You haft ask on witch dates. lulz

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Message 218 of 245 (596707)
12-16-2010 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by frako
12-13-2010 6:57 PM


Political correctness has gone way to far in your country,
Indeed.
i get that handicaps do not want to be called invalids (cause they are not invalid) i have no problem with that i have no problem with any other culture not wanting to be called something they find offensive. But who the F$%# gets offended if you wish him merry Christmas,
The same people that have pushed political correctness too far, I suppose. But my point throughout this thread was that it isn't offensive to wish someone a Merry Christmas, and that your not imposing your religions on them by doing so.
If someone would say happy Hanuka or whatever their holiday is id say thank you and a marry Christmas to you too, or thank you happy Hanuka to you to, or thank you i am not Jewish but happy Hanuka to you to. I would most definitively not get offended in any way, and if someone does get offended well tough luck be offended.
Exactly. There's no good reason to have to avoid using the phrase "Merry Christmas".

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Message 220 of 245 (596710)
12-16-2010 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Theodoric
12-16-2010 4:02 PM


And there is no good reason to require it either, as some seem to want to do.
Show me someone who wants to require it.
And then show me how that has anything to do with my point.

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Message 222 of 245 (596715)
12-16-2010 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Theodoric
12-16-2010 4:17 PM


That seems to be what I found in a quick Google search.
None of which showed people wanting to require it.
Your point was that people shouldn't be ashamed to say "Merry Christmas". I am pointing out that there is a counter to that. People shouldn't feel they are required to say "Merry Christmas". The point you are making does not exist in a vacuum.
BFD
Your point is unimportant in irrelevant. Besides, nobody is saying that it should be required.

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