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ringo
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Message 76 of 245 (373194)
12-31-2006 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by anastasia
12-31-2006 12:46 PM


Re: patriotism to which values?
anastasia writes:
It does not say 'freedom from religion' but 'freedom of religion'.
Interestingly, many languages (French, for example) don't make a distinction between "of" and "from" at all. It's the same word.
And if, as some theists claim, atheism is a religion, requiring "faith", then freedom to "practise" atheism would be freedom from religion.
Isn't that what the so-called "war on Christmas" is all about - the desire to be free from other people's religions?

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ringo
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Message 78 of 245 (373196)
12-31-2006 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Phat
12-31-2006 1:21 PM


Re: patriotism to which values?
Phat writes:
I say that majority rules.
You don't even need a constitution for that. The majority can bully minorities anywhere.
One of the main reasons to have a constitution is to protect minorities from the majority. Your Constitution tries to do that by guaranteeing freedom from being forced to observe the religion of the majority.

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ringo
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Message 81 of 245 (373214)
12-31-2006 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by anastasia
12-31-2006 4:12 PM


Re: patriotism to which values?
anastasia writes:
The atheist will be free of hearing about christmas, but the christian will not be free to mention it.
Freedom "of" religion entitles you to practise whatever religion you choose. Freedom "of" speech entitles you to say whatever you choose about your religion.
Freedom "from" religion entitles you to practise no religion at all. Freedom "from" speech would entitle you not to speak at all.
I don't know of any fundamental right not to hear what you don't want to hear.

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ringo
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Message 192 of 245 (594089)
12-01-2010 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Artemis Entreri
12-01-2010 3:22 PM


Re: there should be a "War on Christmas"
Artemis Entreri writes:
Let me guess all the non-Christians refuse to take the holiday and work anyway those days?
It was a pagan holiday long before Jesus was a gleam in Yahweh's eye. Do all the Christians refuse to decorate Christmas trees?
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