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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Tangle, in 1902, Stewart R.A. Macalister began excavation
on a hill in Gezer. Gezer is located between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. What drew his attention to the site was the tops oftwelve stones. The stones, when uncovered, turned out to be rather large. At the base of each standing stone were clay jars thatcontained the burned remains of children. In front of these standing stones was a large flat stone,which contained a basin for catching blood. Lying on the stone was the upper skeletal remains of ayoung girl about six or seven years old. She had been sawed asunder. Nearby were the heads and partial necks of two youngkids. The two had been decapitated. These three had also been burned. Further down the hill Macalister excavated a cave, whichcontained a huge heap of burned bones. In here was another altar that held the burned bodies ofyoung children. Macalister unearthed numerous idols, including bronzeserpents that honored their chief God, Molech. What Macalister discovered was an Amorite high place.This was their place of sacrifice and worship. The Amorites were the chief tribe of the Canaanites. Leviticus 18:21"Thou shall not let any of thy seed passthrough the fire to Molech..." 2Kings 23:10 "...that no man might make his son ordaughter pass through the fire to Molech." Deuteronomy 12:30-31 "Take heed to thyself that thou benot snared by following them, and that thou enquire not after their God's, saying, How did these nations serve their God's? Even so will I do likewise." 31. "Thou shall not do so unto the Lord thy God: forevery abomination to the Lord, which He hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even theirs sons and daughters have they burnt in the fire to their gods." This and numerous other archaeological sites supportthe Bible. I would think that the term fool would better apply toone who believes in evolution, even though there are no transitional fossils to support this misconception. Even Darwin realized that without transitional fossils histheory would fall apart.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: Yawn. Really, why do Creationists always think that lying is the answer? There are plenty of transitional fossils and palaeontologists keep finding more. Like this one, published a couple of years ago.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
candle2 writes: Tangle, in 1902, Stewart R.A. Macalister began excavation on a hill in Gezer etc etc If you think the earth is 6,000 years old, you got a long way to go to get me interested in this other dumb stuff..
Even Darwin realized that without transitional fossils his theory would fall apart. Of course he did, he was quite a smart guy and gave the world several ways of providing the theory wrong. And since then, we've found dozens of 'transitional' fossils. Should I get ChatGPT to print out a list for you?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
I would think that the term fool would better apply to one who believes in evolution, even though there are no transitional fossils to support this misconception. I replied to that lie in Message 1861. Read it and respond!
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Really, why do Creationists always think that lying is the answer? Because lies and lying are all they have. They believe that reality disproves God, so they have to try to disprove reality. The problem is that all the evidence supports reality. So they are left with nothing except to lie. The irony is that if they actually were to believe in Divine Creation, that God did create the Universe (AKA Reality), then they would see everything in that Creation as evidence of God (and as a way to understand that God, like his inordinate fondness for beetles). Instead, they embrace a false theology in which the Creation disproves the Creator. It's a hell of their own making, like Trump's fate in the documents case. What is wrong with them?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Please provide source for your claims about McAlister and Gezer.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
Why bother? We know that Macalister made a complete mess of the excavation and his findings are worthless Message 2458
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Tangle, A 1967 excavation of a building (temple)
in Tell Deir Alla, Jordan resulted in another piece of proof for the Bible's historical accuracy. Located on a collapsed wall was an inscription in redand black ink. The inscription was written in the Northwest Semitic Dialect. The inscription read: Balaam Son of Beor, "seer of gods." Numbers 22 through 24 talks about Balaam, the seer. The events in the Bible are factual.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
candle2 writes: Tangle, A 1967 excavation of a building (temple)in Tell Deir Alla, Jordan resulted in another piece of proof for the Bible's historical accuracy. I think you must be deaf. I'm not remotely interested in this twaddle. You believe that the earth is 6,000 years old, that there was a worldwide flood that killed everything 4,000 years ago. You think that all the animals and plants alive now were put there by a god as we see them today and haven't ever changed. You think that Adam and Eve were real people. Talking snakes and burning bushes? You only believe all this nonsense because of a really twisted and medieval interpretation of a 2,000 year old myth. You're a crazy fundamentalist and you're pretending you know anything at all about epigenesis? You're not talking to your half-witted believers now.Try harder.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
The events in the Bible are factual. In the Doc Savage stories, he and his team operated out of New York City. New York City actually exists and did so in the 1930's. Therefore, the Doc Savage stories are factual and Doc Savage actually existed. QED
The Shadow also lived and worked in New York City at the same time. Therefore, The Shadow was also real since his stories are also factual. I wonder why we never heard of Doc Savage and The Shadow teaming up. Betcha The Shadow knows!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: That is a story about a Balaam who might be the same as that written in the Bible Wikipedia. Assuming that it is the same it doesn’t establish anything more than the idea that Balaam was a legendary figure incorporated into the Bible. It does not establish the accuracy of the Biblical story at all.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, you are right. He made a mess out of those who
deny the historical value of the Bible. You should be aware of how easy it is for people to killbabies. It has been happening in every so-called civilized country,with the blessings of their leaders, for decades.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: Oh, look a creationist is telling stupid lies again. What a surprise.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Tangle, I have never said that the earth is 6000 years old.
It could be tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of year, old, etc.... I do not know how old the earth is, and neither doesanyone else. If they say that they do they are lying. They are not just mistaken, they are lying. Adam and all organisms were created roughly 6000 yearsago. The Bible counts this out for us. Before Adam was created, Lucifer was placed on theearth with other angels under him. They were to put the finishing touches to the earth. But Lucifer, which was exceedingly, beautiful and asintelligent and powerful as God can create anyone by fiat, became vain and full of pride. He came to think that he should be like (resemble,compare) the most High. Read the 14th chapter of Isaiah. Lucifer was sitting on the throne of the earth. But, he in(v.13) stated "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars (other angels) of God. When he declared this he was on the earth, sitting onthe throne. Vs.14 "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; Iwill be like the most High. He stated that he would ascend the clouds of the earth. Ezekiel 28 Lucifer, (now Satan) stirred up bitter angerand resentment against God among those angels who were placed under him. They all rebelled. Angels, as are humans, were created with free will. Ittakes time before their character fully develops. As Spirit beings, once it develops it sits, much like concrete. Neither Satan nor the fallen angels were created withevil desires. It was formed in them by them. God and Satan have completely contrary paradigms ofthe principles of life. Satan's way is the way of "get." It emphasizes greed;competition; self-glory; and get ahead of others, regardless of the cost. God's way is the way of "give." He states: "it is better togive than to receive." Jesus gave His life for us. He asked His Father if there were any other way. As ahuman He dreaded what He was about to go through. His Father answered no. As the greater of the two God Beings, His Father wouldnot compell Jesus to go through with it. But, this was the only way. What Jesus went through was His choice. He could havebacked out. He simply wanted to know if there were another option that would get the same results. You asked, as do many, if there is a God, why does Heallow so much evil in the world. I will give you how I see it, but it will take several posts. For those with an open mind, it might change theiropinion of God.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
candle2 writes: I do not know how old the earth is, and neither doesanyone else. If they say that they do they are lying. For the earth to be anything other than 4.54bn+/- years old, pretty much all of science would need to be wrong. But it isn't, if it was nothing would work the way we see it working and our civilisation would have failed.
Adam and all organisms were created roughly 6000 years ago. The Bible counts this out for us. Provably wrong. Total religious fiction.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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