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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Curious as to what the biblical "archaeology" people are spouting.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
How is this relevant and how does this prove the Bible is factual? The Empire State building and NYC are factual. So there really was a King Kong?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Tangle, when Satan took his demons and ascended into
heaven, he was prepared to fight against God in order to get his way. Satan is no match for God. However, in order for him tobe willing to fight God he must have been incredibly powerful. God could have ended Satan with a wave of His hand,but He allowed Michael and the other angels to defeat him. The solar system and most likely the entire universe wasdamaged. Satan and his demons were forced back to earth. In the first chapter of Genesis we see that the earth iscovered with water and stygian darkness. God begins to renew the face of the earth, readying it forthe creation of man. He did not renew the other planets and moons in our solarsystem. They still carry the scars of that titanic war. However, God did adjust the rotation of the Earth and moon to each other as well as their rotation with the sun. When the earth was originally created the angels leapedfor joy. Job 38:7. Psalms 104:30 "Thou sends forth thy spirit, they arecreated: and thou renewest the face of the earth." Isaiah 45:18 states that the earth was not created invain (tohuw-to lie waste, desolation, worthless thing). Genesis 1:2 states that the earth was w/o form (tohuw)and void (bohuw-an undistinguishable ruin). Was is from hayah-to exist, or become, come to pass. What verse 2 states is that the earth had become waste;it had become an undistinguishable ruin.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Have you noticed that candle2’s sources are either old, or hoaxes or both?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9515 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
He's a medieval throwback.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Every one. I especially love it when he posts a hoax as a source. Fundies will believe anything.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Tangle, in verse 3 God said "Let there be light."He did not
create the sun on this day. It had been created sometime in the past. The angelic war in the heavens had filled the earth'satmosphere with debris. On this day someone standing on the face of the earthwould have seen light trickle through. However, the light would have been translucent because of the heavy water vapor, much like on Venus today. On day four God removed the cloud-cover from theatmosphere, which allowed visual observation of the sun, moon, stars, and other heavenly bodies. Visual observation of the heavenly bodies could thenbe used to keep track of time. The NKJ version begins verse 16 with "then." Then Godmade suggests continuity of action. The AS, RS, and KJ translations start with "and." "Made (asah) denotes completed action, which impliesthat all could have been created that day, or anytime previously. Also, verses 16-18 are parenthetical statements thatthey had been made sometime in the past. The creation account was a renewing (repairing) of theearth. God readied it for man. I do not know how old the universe is, and neither doesanyone else.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
There is no heavy water vapor on Venus.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
This is where you stop reading the Bible for yourself and go off on your church's teachings.
Light on Day 1 but the Sun on Day 4? I get that you believe that your church has sound teachings, but just like dwise1 is sweating me in regards to Calvary Chapel, I am going to sweat you in regards to the United Church of God. First, let's examine what the church says about itself.
About the United Church of GodYour church is very thorough in its education of members beyond the Bible itself. I don't see any false teachings yet, but I am wary since years ago I listened to Herbert W. Armstrong. Apparently, your church was a reorganized new start, though Ambassador College descends from Armstrong as does the magazine (formerly known as The Plain Truth ) and now known as Beyond Today.To be fair, it looks as if your church UCG split from Armstrong's Worldwide Church Of God in 1995. I'm not challenging your core teachings yet, though it appears that you have been taught an agenda. Dwise1 reminds me that Calvary Chapel had a strong agenda and that there is organized religion behind the scenes.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theodoric writes: Critical Thinkers, by contrast, believe *NOTHING* without verifiable evidence. If God exists, I wonder why He set it up that way. Fundies will believe anything. And I wonder why you, who never was a believer, can throw stones at belief simply due to the fact that it does not ascribe to your rules of evidence?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
They are not my rules of evidence.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
First, I want to go deeper into how you actually read the Bible and rejected all of it.
I can see a guy who goes to marriage counseling, gets handed authoritarianism by Christian sources, rejects the whole kit and kaboodle of Christian thinking, and becomes reinforcingly more of a critical thinker. I cant understand, however, why it is so hard to believe in Jesus Christ as Gods character. Is it the whole logical argument from older religions about anthropomorphizing God? Is it witnessing the bad behavior of self-professed believers?For you, I know that the pattern of lies and denials among creationists was notable, but Why this carries over into believers who have no problems with evolution mystifies me. I think I know the answer, though it is but a guess. A lot of you disapprove of conservatives.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9515 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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candle2 writes: Tangle, when Satan took his demons and ascended into heaven, he was prepared to fight against God in order toget his way. Once upon a time, in a faraway land, there lived a beautiful princess named Cinderella. She possessed an enchanting grace that captivated the hearts of all who laid eyes upon her. […] And everyone lived happily ever after.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Tangle, the angels failed to do what God had assigned
to them. God is a Creator, and the angels were to assist, but they rebelled. God would now rely on humans! God knew that the angels would fail. He also knew thatAdam and the entire human race would rebel against Him. Revelations 13:8 tells us that Christ knew that He wouldgive His life for us before the world was ever created. Angels were created before the earth was created. Godknew they would rebel, and He knew that humans would rebel. Adam was to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord.And God had told Him that He would lead Adam and Eve throughout their lives. He would teach them the way to true happiness. He onlyknows the way to peace and happiness. Satan deceived Adam and Eve into disobeying God. Heled them to believe that they themselves could decide what was good or bad. Adam was to replace Satan on earth's throne. God allowsone to stay in power until a replacement is ready. Satan could not allow Adam to succeed. Adam and Eve made a choice to find true happiness ontheir own, without interference from God. Sin had entered their lives and it brought with it thedeath penalty. Sin is the transgressions of God's laws.Sin is not in God's righteous character. He abhors it. Jesus, as our Creator, came to earth as a mortal man. He lived a sinless life and He took upon Himself our sins.His life is far greater than all of our lives combined. Many falsely assume that God's righteous Commandmentsare contrary to us. They also assume that He took them out of the way, that He nailed them to the cross. This is utterly ridiculous. What was against us was thedeath penalty. He took our place. It is not against us to not lie or steal; it is not against usto honor our parents, etc... Adam and Eve did not trust God. They wanted to trust inthemselves instead of God. God is now allowing humanity 6000 years to try everyconceivable form of government. He is giving us this time to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that He only know the way to peace and happiness.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9515 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Candle2, once upon a time, in a faraway kingdom, there lived a humble woodcutter and his daughter, Rose. One day, while wandering through the enchanted forest, Rose stumbled upon a hidden cottage, inhabited by a family of talking animals. Little did she know, this chance encounter would set her on a magical journey filled with love, courage, and the power to change her destiny forever.
As Rose embarked on her quest, she encountered a mischievous pixie who offered her a golden key, promising that it would unlock the secrets to her heart's desires. With unwavering determination, Rose ventured through treacherous lands and faced daunting challenges, guided by her pure heart and the belief that true magic resides within. [...] In the end, Rose's selflessness and bravery triumphed over darkness, and she not only discovered her own inner strength but also brought harmony and happiness to the kingdom. And so, her name became legendary, forever remembered as the hero who restored the light and brought the enchanting tale to life.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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