Choosing a faith

Oh stop! That's not similar to the Bible at all! You must ask yourself why you feel the need to say such things.We fully understand that you have the position that all beliefs are but myths and fables, but your need to emphasize this shows me that you are but reinforcing your lack of belief.

Sure they are, they're both pure story-telling human invention. he's telling me fairy tales, I'm telling him some.
​ Alternatively I'm pointing out that his biblical stories are identical to children's fairy stories.

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when Satan took his demons and ascended into
heaven, he was prepared to fight against God in order to
get his way.
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Satan is no match for God. However, in order for him to
be willing to fight God he must have been incredibly
powerful.
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God could have ended Satan with a wave of His hand,
but He allowed Michael and the other angels to defeat
him.
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The solar system and most likely the entire universe was
damaged. Satan and his demons were forced back to
earth.

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Do you get it yet Phat?
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Well, that's not nice. You got me hooked. Where's the rest?

All I get is that you are telling me that I have believed in a myth and a mythological savior for 30 years. So its not enough that you "outgrew your childhood beliefs" as you and others so smugly say. (Smug because it implies that you are better or smarter than I am)You are so sure that you (and your peanut gallery support group) are wiser than I am that you tell me things like "you never listen to what *we* told you and keep repeating yourself time after time after time".Do you have any idea how psychologically hurtful that sort of stuff can be? I think i'm getting it. I'm no longer welcome here. Why should I keep going to a forum where nobody respects my intelligence *or* my beliefs and acts as if they are smarter than me?

Whose are they then? I was speaking to you symbolically as a human.Only humans take credit for natural laws that existed before humans themselves did.I don't know why I talk to you either. You call me names such as hateful, racist, ignorant, and vile and disgusting.Apparently one has to convert into being a progressive secular humanist before they are given any respect around here.This morning I realize that I am seeking respect from the wrong people.Maybe I need a break.

You have. What more is required? You believe in a myth created by primitive, superstitious people a couple of thousand of years ago. This is a discussion and debate forum, you've been here 20 years hearing the same stuff year after year, how come it's only now that you've noticed? Do you really expect us to stop trying to correct your errors?
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That goes both ways. I do need a break though.

Tangle, in Genesis we see earth's current ruler (Satan), and
his potential replacement (Adam).Satan used his power of deception to cause Adam to sin,
thereby disqualifying him.Revelations 12:9 states that Satan deceives the whole
world.When Satan knows that his time is short as ruler of the
earth he becomes enraged, and he is full of fury.He utilizes his power of deception to it fullest. Everyone,
except God's elect will be deceived by him.Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christ's, and
false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;
insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the
very elect.God's elect are those whom God has called to rule with
Him in His Kingdom. They were baptized with this
commission.The elect, including those long dead, will be resurrected
as spirit being. And as newly born sons of God they will
Go with Him to Jerusalem.Adam was asked to trust God. He was to lead them, but
they wanted to trust in themselves.God understands that all humans must have free will,
much like the angels had.In order for humans to decide which way they choose to
accept they must experience both sides.God allows us to experience the pain and suffering that
comes with Satan's way of "get." We must taste it fully in
order to be able to compare and contrast it with His way
of "give."Those whom God calls during this present age have
already experienced that pain and suffering. They have
had enough of it. They humbly accept God when he
calls on them.Those who are resurrected in the second resurrection are
not resurrected to a sentencing. They are resurrected to
face a judgement.They are brought back to flesh and blood and then taught
God's way. And, they get to experience what life is like in
a world governed by the way of "give." They experience a
world where everyone loves each other unconditionally.Satan, as present ruler of this age, does all he can to
convince us that God is evil, that He does not care
about us.He, as the prince of the power of the air, fills the air-waves
with nasty vulgar imagery.Actors, politicians, singers, big business leaders sell
themselves to Satan. What they desire more than anything
else is power, prestige, money, etc....A thorough search of the internet will prove this.Satan controls the vast majority of our churches, as well
as the media and our institutions if learning.Satan and his ministers present a false religion to us.
They can appear as ministers of light.Satan hates God and he hates us. He does all within his
power to cost us our chance at eternal life.

Once upon a time, in a land of eternal winter, there lived a young princess named Celeste. She possessed a rare gift inherited from her ancestors—a voice so captivating that it could melt even the coldest of hearts. Yet, a wicked sorceress, jealous of Celeste's enchanting voice, cast a spell that stole her ability to speak. Determined to break the curse, Celeste embarked on a perilous journey, accompanied by a loyal talking songbird named Melody, who vowed to help her find the cure hidden deep within the enchanted forest.[...]Together, Celeste and Melody braved treacherous trials, unraveling the secrets of the forest, until they discovered a mystical flower whose petals held the power to restore the princess's voice.There are a lot of fairy stories out there in the world, people have great imaginations and always want a happy ending.

As I described in my follow-up reply, Message 63, about Calvary Church Costa Mesa during the Jesus Freak period, one of their obsessions was sussing out and identifying The Beast and The AntiChrist. Interestingly, they identified Herbert W. Armstrong as a candidate for The AntiChrist.Even more interesting is that Donald Trump is the most blatantly and flagrantly obvious candidate for The Beast and yet they support him passionately. Just as they had predicted, that Christians (even "true Christians") would be deceived into following him.

Wrong, as has been explained several times; eg, my Message 2431 in this topic: In science, laws are our descriptions of how we observe natural phenomena to work. Theories are our models to explain how they work. Both are obviously Man-made.candle2 falsely claims to have a Theory of the Divine Origin of Life by having claimed to know how life began by supernatural means. He has so far refused to describe his theory to us. Of course, mere "goddidit" does not have any explanatory power since it is nothing more than an admission of complete ignorance.

You need to display intelligence first.

Dwise, you do not know a thing about my church. I have
never asked anyone to become a member of my church.God calls whom He will.If you can rebuke the Biblical teachings that I put, then
feel free to do so. They are Biblically solid.I spent nine years in an orphanage. There were workers,
who were not even remotely qualified to work with troubled
kids, employed there.However, we went to a Church of Christ every Wednesday
evening an twice on Sunday.I was baptized into the Church of Christ and I believed in
it's teachings. I defended them. I knew that I was right.In my early 30's a man kept after me, telling me that I was
wrong. It finally irked me to the point that I was going to
prove to him that he was the one in the wrong.We met and we presented our evidence to each other. I
employed all of my verses to show him that I was right.I left that meeting as an angry young man, because he
had made me realize that the verses I used to support
my church's views could not stand up to his.It is really difficult to overcome the teachings of
childhood. But, more than anything else, I wanted to
live my life based on God's instructions.I had lived in fear of hell for a very long time. I could
never love a God that would burn humans in hell for
eternity.I confronted Him about this many times. However, I
kept it between Him and me. I cursed Him a number of
times. The bottom line is that I told Him that I could
never love a God who would do this.I had neglected God's Sabbaths for man's tradition of
Sunday keeping.I had always thought that we go to heaven, even though
there are no verses that support this.It is impossible to read the NT throughly without
constantly being reminded that the Kingdom of God
is on the earth. Heaven is not our destination.I was envious of the Prophets and Apostles because
God had relationships with them. They knew His laws.Little did I know that God is no respecter of persons.
What He showed them personally is what He intends
for all who has ever lived.Do not build a wall between you and God. It is sometimes
easy to deny the existence of God, but it is also easy to
see His existence in everything around you.It is also easy to see Satan's handiwork.

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If you can rebuke the Biblical teachings that I put, then
feel free to do so. They are Biblically solid.

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That’s easy.Look at Message 2478

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when Satan took his demons and ascended into
heaven, he was prepared to fight against God in order to
get his way.

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You claim that this took place between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, but the Bible never says so. Indeed, it’s mentioned in Revelation 12, which implies that it will be part of the End Times (especially v 12).

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The solar system and most likely the entire universe was
damaged. Satan and his demons were forced back to
earth.

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The Bible never says that, either. Indeed the Bible does not display much understanding of the Universe at all.

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In the first chapter of Genesis we see that the earth is
covered with water and stygian darkness.

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God begins to renew the face of the earth, readying it for
the creation of man.

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Or, more likely it describes the chaos of the Primordial Ocean, before the work of creation has begun.

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He did not renew the other planets and moons in our solar
system. They still carry the scars of that titanic war.
However, God did adjust the rotation of the Earth and
moon to each other as well as their rotation with the sun.

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The Bible does not say any of this. Message 2482

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in verse 3 God said "Let there be light."He did not
create the sun on this day. It had been created sometime
in the past.
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More likely the Sun is not created until the fourth day - regardless it is not set in the sky until then (Genesis 1 16-18)

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The angelic war in the heavens had filled the earth's
atmosphere with debris.
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On this day someone standing on the face of the earth
would have seen light trickle through. However, the light
would have been translucent because of the heavy water
vapor, much like on Venus today.

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On day four God removed the cloud-cover from the
atmosphere, which allowed visual observation of the sun,
moon, stars, and other heavenly bodies.

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This contradicts Genesis 1. As I point out above it does not say that the Sun is in the sky, but obscured by “debris” or “cloud cover” - which is never mentioned. It expressly says that the Sun is not put in the sky until the fourth day, and only then does it rule over the day.

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The NKJ version begins verse 16 with "then." Then God
made suggests continuity of action.

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Which implies that the Sun was not created until then. And that demonstrates that the idea is reasonable - although I do not rely on it.

Paulk, do you know that evolutionists (especially
paleoanthropologists) are some of the biggest liars on
earth? I'm not kidding!Human evolution is a fact, they scream. Then they come
out with this idiotic tree that only the most gullible among
us would accept.One of the earliest hominid is "Lucy," an Australopithcine.
Lucy was nothing but an ape, about three and a half feet
tall.Lucy's skeleton is roughly 40% complete. The idiots who
found Lucy's bones (Johanson and Gray) have no idea
whether it was male or female, but that never stopped
them from portraying it as female.Scientists claim to have fragments of over 400
Australopithcines. However, all the fragments combined
fits on one table.Lucy's bones fragments did not even fill a small shoebox.There was one neck vertebrae found with Lucy, but years
later it turned out to be from a baboon.When a portion of Lucy's pelvis was found it was
flared out, much like that of an ape.However, the pelvis was damaged; so, these great men
of integrity cut it into and then they glued it together again.But they made it appear more like that of a human;
an upright walker.There were no bones of the feet, but that did not
prevent them from giving it human feet.Their reasoning is that a thousand miles away were ten
inch human footprints preserved in the same strata.And since the strata was assigned an age of three-
and-a-half millions years, they could not have been
made by humans.It never entered their misguided minds that their
dating technique was highly flawed. Or perhaps it did.
There is no notoriety in finding ape fossils.The way Lucy's spine entered her skull allowed her to
walk on all four.Lucy has curved fingers designed for tree climbing. The
shape of the radius bone and the way it entered the
wrist allowed it to lock in place.Recreations of Lucy in museums show her eyes to be
white like humans, not brown or dark like apes.They also have her looking up as though thinking.If she were thinking about anything, it would have been
about bananas.Lucy was an ape. Nothing but a knuckle-walker.