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ringo
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Message 2005 of 3694 (905851)
02-04-2023 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 2004 by Phat
02-04-2023 12:05 PM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Phat writes:
Thats nonsense. The Northern economy was the major economy in the time of the civil war...not the Southern economy.
To say that slavery is/was the backbone of the economy is inserting both your feets into your mouth. Show me some data.
Note that the backbone is not the entire body.
However, the body doesn't function as well without it.
Phat writes:
Put the fire out, don't just try and charge every non slave in the world for the sins of slavery.
I'm not charging anybody with anything. The people who reaped the benefis of slavery (all the way down to you) are the ones who ran up the bills. I'm just pointing out that it's not, as you say, ludicrous to ask them to pay their bills.
Phat writes:
Thats the globalist socialist lie that you have bought.
Paying your bills is not a lie. You should try to think before you blather your knee-jerk right-wing nonsense.
Phat writes:
Newsflash: IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
*shrug* Never is a long time.
In Canada, weve been paying reparations to indigenous people for decades. (Not near enough yet, mind you, but still better than "NEVER".) Maybe even you Americans will turn from your evil ways before never.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2018 of 3694 (905933)
02-05-2023 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 2006 by Phat
02-04-2023 2:05 PM


Re: Globalist Socialist Agenda:Elephant In The Room
Phat writes:
I've mentioned a globalist socialist agenda...
So did Jim Keegstra. It was a Jewish conspiracy and he expected it to come about by the millennium.
Phat writes:
... you hand-wave it away...
Not at all. I have ridiculed it six ways from Sunday - and YOU ignore everything I say.
Phat writes:
... saying its not at all what you are talking about.
Well of course it is not what I'm talking about. There's no such thing as a "globalist socialist agenda".
Phat writes:
This last statement proves it is!
HOW?
Phat writes:
You know its going to happen eventually.
How could I know that?
Keegstra "knew" it was going to happen by 2000. It didn't.
Phat writes:
You are just not honest enough to address that inevitable argument.
You have not made an argument.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2019 of 3694 (905934)
02-05-2023 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2007 by Phat
02-04-2023 2:10 PM


Re: Globalist Socialist Agenda:Elephant In The Room
Phat writes:
Here is another example. The "Federation" will become planetary.
That's not an example. It's your delusion.
Phat writes:
And at that point in time, you will have to legally shut down the Bible "Thumpers...
You're no Bible-thumper. You throw out the Bible.
The rest of you're drivel I'm not even going to read.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2020 of 3694 (905936)
02-05-2023 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2009 by GDR
02-04-2023 2:38 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
GDR writes:
I would say that other than for this forum you are part of a very small minority in claiming that He didn't exist as a man living a couple of thousand years ago.
I don't think it's a minority. I think it's pretty much a scholarly consensus. Believing He existed doesn't count any more than believing the Flood happened counts.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2021 of 3694 (905937)
02-05-2023 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2010 by Phat
02-04-2023 3:06 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
Phat writes:
We tried to fool them into believing.
But the Emperor had no clothes.
(Your end-times nonsense is mostly wrong but that belongs in a different topic.)

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2022 of 3694 (905938)
02-05-2023 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2014 by Phat
02-05-2023 10:24 AM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Phat writes:
My argument is that by attempting to go way back in History and rectify decisions made 200 years ago you are causing more harm than good...
Again, that is not an argument. You have not shown how paying your bills causes more harm than good.
Phat writes:
Acknowledge the mistakes and sins of the past but dont try and fix them.
How can you acknowledge a mistake without trying to fix it? Is that how your father built houses? "Yes, I acknowledge that the roof leaks. Goodbye."
Phat writes:
It causes more social unrest than it solves.
Causing the KKK to burn more crosses is nor "social unrest".

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2023 of 3694 (905939)
02-05-2023 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2016 by Phat
02-05-2023 11:51 AM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Phat writes:
Ignorance is an option, but I make myself read and study more than most people I know.
Read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Tell me you don't see yourself.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2024 of 3694 (905941)
02-05-2023 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2017 by Dredge
02-05-2023 1:47 PM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Dredge writes:
The Left are so senseless and stupid, they think something as natural and inevitable as racism can be eradicated with "education" and laws.
People with an IQ of 9 think they can school the grownups.
For those with an IQ of 10 and up: Murder is natural and inevitable. Nobody thinks we can "eradicate" it but we can prevent some of it with laws that promise to lock murderers up and throw away the key. And we can prevent some more by educating people about the laws. Why wouldn't something similar work with racists?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2030 of 3694 (905995)
02-06-2023 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 2028 by Phat
02-06-2023 8:41 AM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Phat writes:
First of all, I am disputing these bills that *some* of society claim I owe.
You're denying. You're not showing what you claim.
Phat writes:
Some abstract concept that I and others have benefited from social privilege, for example, is not good enough.
YOU don't get to decide what's "good enough". Society as a whole will decide what is necessary.
Phat writes:
Show me the actual words of a treaty that was violated, and then maybe we can talk.
The slaves were not allowed to sign treaties, moron. They were not considered human. A slave could no more sign a treaty than your fridge can sign a treaty.
That's why there are no treaties.
But we've changed our minds. We've decided that black people ARE human after all. So human decency requires us to do what we can to atone for the attrocities we committed in the past.
Phat writes:
In addition, I would also demand to read the words of the lawyers challenging such a treaty and the status of the treaty in a court of law.
See above.
But even in the absence of any legal niceties, I think a strong legal case could be made for paying what you owe. Unwritten contracts, "gentlemen's agreements", deals made "on a handshake" have a long history in common law (longer than written contracts).

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2032 of 3694 (905999)
02-06-2023 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2029 by Phat
02-06-2023 8:48 AM


Re: Mein Trumpf
Phat writes:
Years ago, while in High School, I was a World War II buff. I bought that book. IIRC it was 1600 pages long and I never read it cover to cover.
So you SAY you read books you don't want to read but you don't actually read them.
I'm on my third read.
Phat writes:
If you are referring to Hitler, I certainly dont see myself like him...
Not just Hitler but the dupes who enabled him. "Oh yes sir, sure sir, three bags full sir." It's a portrait of every RepublicaNazi who enables Trump.
Phat writes:
How would you feel, as a young man or woman, if you were born in debt?
Obligated.
Phat writes:
Im sure if I studied further, I could see a bit of Trump in Hitler
Wow. If you looked up, could you see the sky too?
Phat writes:
I also will acknowledge that if the American people went through another Great Depression...
You keep saying they are going to.
Phat writes:
... they may feel like electing a Populist with lofty promises of restoration to greatness...
They already did. Where were you in 2016?
Phat writes:
... I also have faith in our system of government...
And you also have faith in the Republicans who are trying to destroy that system.
Phat writes:
The primary argument that I ascribe to in defense of the American people is that we are not the only ones who owe it.
That's not an argument. It's just denial.
Try going to the bank and telling them that you're not going to pay your mortgage because "that guy" didn't pay his.
Phat writes:
We would be at the crossroads of history just as the German people were after the Great War.
And look how that turned out.
Rationality would tell you, "Don't be Germany!"
But you're happy making the same mistakes over and over and over again.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2051 of 3694 (906117)
02-07-2023 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 2036 by GDR
02-06-2023 3:45 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
GDR writes:
This again is from This wiki site....
Again, yes. This topic has already been through that.
Some historians may believe that a person named Jesus existed but the actual details of his life, especially the miracles, are dubious.
You might as well say that James Bond must have existed because Ian Fleming mentioned him. But Dr. No did not exist. Goldfinger did not exist, Ernst Stavro Blofeld did not exist.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2052 of 3694 (906118)
02-07-2023 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 2037 by Phat
02-06-2023 3:52 PM


Re: again, Phat needs to learn the basics.s...but
Phat writes:
Dont drag up 150 year old treaties ....
Do you want the US to have the reputation of a nation that breaks its word?
Phat writes:
All you Leftists want is more other leftists to join your cause and vote you in office for perpetuity.
You're an idiot.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2053 of 3694 (906119)
02-07-2023 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 2038 by Phat
02-06-2023 3:55 PM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Phat writes:
We will take the issue of reparations global and see how it plays out.
It has nothing to do with anything global. Where do you get such nonsense?
It's a US problem ONLY.
Canada has a similar problem with our indigenous people and we ARE trying to solve it (albeit very slowly). So shove your bullshit about it being "impossible". It IS being done.
Phat writes:
The planet has more pressing issues than bending over backwards to make every global citizen (financially) equal.
It's NOT about the planet. It's about YOUR nation doing what's right.
Stop being such an evil bastard.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2062 of 3694 (906260)
02-09-2023 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2055 by GDR
02-08-2023 7:57 PM


Re: What's Important enough?
GDR writes:
You guys do like to bring up characters that were never meant to be taken as historical...
You like to pretend you know who was "meant" to be taken as historical.
GDR writes:
... and compare that to writings that were written to be taken as historical.
As I have said to you before, stories about miracles and resurrections were NOT "written to be taken" as historical.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 2063 of 3694 (906266)
02-09-2023 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 2060 by Phat
02-09-2023 1:29 AM


Re: Im going to come across as an entitled ass...but
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
It's a US problem ONLY.
Says who?
It should be obvious to all but the dimmest wit. Only the US decides what the US does.
Phat writes:
Worry about your own nation.
I told you that MY nation is trying to solve OUR problem but you insist it can't be done.
Phat writes:
You seem to think that one side writes the rules and the conclusions for everyone.
That's EXACTLY how it works. Have you never HEARD of democracy?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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