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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Not very wise, Cannota is Canada. A wise individual would
have figured this out without any difficulty. What happened to you in life that caused you to lose yourability to reason? You state ignorant nonsense that any sensible individualcan see as stupidity. There is no way that Putin could determine the outcomeof the presidental election. How can someone seriously entertain any of your viewswhen you put forth such fantasy ideas. Trump did not want a weakened NATO. He wanted theother members to pay their fair share. Why should America pay for 85% of all NATO's military budget. You repeat the same old lies that NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS,and CNN and all the other liberal media spew every day. And that is that illegal immigrants benefit America. 20,000 illegal immigrants crossing our border every dayis lunacy. Every one if them are given food, housing, and medicalcare, free of charge. The vast majority of them will work in low skill, lowpaying jobs, which will allow they to receive food stamps an other benefits for life. Only a total idiot would think that this is beneficial for America. Don't you just love it when the border states send theseimmigrants to places such as Chicago, Nantucket, and Washington D.C.? What do these hypocritical Democrats in these places do? You are right? They whine and complain about the extraburden that it places on them. They cry like little girls. I have stated very plainly my stance on RCD. You knowWhat it is.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Dwise, you talk about absolute proof for life.
Let me tell you that I personally do not care how you oranyone else think that life began. What you believe has no effect on me or my life. God tells His followers not to "cast their pearls before swine."He tells us that they are unable to appreciate the value of our understanding. In other words, don't offer what one holds dear to someonewho won't appreciate it. My advice to Ringo was he simply does not know howlife began. And, he doesn't. He, like you, can have an opinion, but that's all it will everamount to. Evolutionists believe that life was created by randomchance. But, there is no absolute proof of this. It takes great faith to believe that life came from nonlife. My point was simply that Neither you nor Ringo can befor certain whether life was created by design or by a freak of nature.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Taq, in your vision of theistic evolution are the first
eleven chapters of Genesis to be taken as allegories? Was Adam created by God's own hands, or did Adamevolve from a lower life form? After Adam came to be did evolution continue, or did itthen cease? Do theistic evolutionists believe that God had the power tocreate Adam instantly? You need to clarify your stance.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Taq, the number of people who believe a certain way has
nothing to do with whether they are right or not.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, you say that evolutionists do not deal with proof.
And, you are 100% right. There is no proof of evolution. See, we agree. Evolutionists do not have evidence that creationistsdon't have. Everyone has access to the same evidence. The interpretation is different. In any event, evolutionists have faith, and nothing more,that their views are right. Judging by your posts and the evidence (be honest andtell me how close I am) I say with 90% certainty that you live in Canada. 80% certainty that you are female.85% certainty that you are between 75-80 years old. 95% certainty that you believe in the existence of God, but you try your best to deny this. Based on the available evidence how did I do.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Taq, a so-called theistic evolutionists is no more a
Christian than a liberal man who puts on a dress and lipstick is a woman. Theistic evolutionists are the same as evolutionists inGod's eyes. God leaves nothing to chance; only humans do this. Jesus tells us that the very hair on our head is known byGod. And, that every sparrow that falls to the ground is also known by God. Revelation 13:8 informs us that before the earth wasformed that the Word (Jesus) knew He would one day be put to death for our sins. Ephesians 1:4 tells us that before the earth wascreated that God already knew who His "elect" were, and when they would be born. The "elect" are those who were/are predestinated toconform to the image of God. The "elect" will occupy governmental position in the Kingdom of God when Christ returns to set it up. Nothing here is left to chance. The Word "yom" is used more than 2300 timesoutside of Genesis 1. Whether plural or singular in every occasion whereyom is used with a number it refers to a 24 hour period. There are over 400 examples of this in the OT. When the terms night and day are found outsideof Genesis 1 (52 times) it always refers to a 24 hour period. When the terms "evening" or "morning" is usedoutside of Genesis 1 it always refers to a 24 hour day. When evening and morning, without yom, are usedtogether outside of Genesis 1 (38 times) it always refers to a 24 hour day. When referring to Jonah being three days andnights in the belly of the fish TE's have no trouble understanding the amount of time involved. In Genesis 1 their minds melt down.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Phat, God does not hate TE's or evolutionists. God does
not hate any humans. TE's dismiss the first eleven chapters of Genesis. Theydismiss Noah and the global flood, as well as the origin of sin and death, and more. The Apostles wrote of these events. Jesus, himself,spoke of Noah and the flood. Do TE's think that Jesus and the Apostles were lying, ormaking stuff up. Do they think that Jesus was lying when he said that"from the beginning God made them male and female?" Theistic evolution is riddled with assumption andfalsehood . Why would God look favorably on it?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Nwr, I don't assume anything. I know beyond a shadow
of a doubt that they were humans. However, they were filled with God's Holy Spirit. And theylived with Jesus for over three years. Jesus, as the Word, was the member of the God family--which now consists of two members--that created Adam and Eve. Jesus is the same member that led the Israelites outOf Egypt. The same that wrote the 10 Commandments on stone. And, the same that said "keep there be light." I believe Him with all my heart.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Tangle, you ask why would a living God make His creation
suffer if He had an alternative. This is a fair question, and one that I used to ask myself. The truth is that God wants us to experience this. Adam and Eve had no life experiences with which to assistthem when confronted with Satan and his powers of deception. There are two ways of life. One is the way of "get." Satan isthe father of this way. The other (God's way) is the way of "give." The way of "get" is exemplified by extreme self-centeredness.It involves greed; competition; and get ahead at all cost. Characteristics of "get" involve jealousy, pride, lack of empathy,and the belief that rules don't apply to them. God's way of "give" is centered on outgoing love and genuineconcern for others. It involves co-ooeration and sharing credit with all. The fruits of "give" is gentleness; joy; goodness; love;meekness; and, faith. Satan was placed on the earth with many angels under him.Their responsibility was to put the finishing touches to the created earth. Satan and his minion rebelled against God. The results was adestroyed earth, as well as much of the solar system. Who knows what portions of the galaxy and universe were affected. When God places someone in a position of power they remainin that position until a replacement is found. Adam was to replace Satan, but he failed to qualify. God was aware that Adam would fail long before itcame to fruition. This is why Christ clearly understood long before thefoundation of the earth that He would die for our sins. What humans experience under the rule of Satan and hisway of get is pain, misery and death. It can be extremely painful at times to be a human livingin a world governed by "get." But, it gives us what Adam and Eve didn't have whenconfronted by Satan. And, that is the knowledge of the heartache caused by this way of life. Look at all the wars that have bee the result of (not God)sin. Matthew tells us that a time is coming that we wouldcompletely destroy all life on earth if Christ did not come back and intervene. We will know beyond any doubt the results of livingunder Satan and his way of "get." The vast majority of Christians believe that the secondresurrection is when sinners will be sentenced to hell. But, this is far from the truth. The second resurrection isa resurrection to correction. The books of life are opened. This is the same as openingthe tree of life, or the water of life for all humans who have ever lived, with the exception of those in the first resurrection. There are some who devoted their lives to Satan and his causefor wealth, power, and fame who will be in the third resurrection when they will be sentenced to eternal death. Also, some are so evil and despicable that they will also beIn the third resurrection. In any event, those in the second resurrection (who areraised as flesh and blood human) will be told that Christ hàs paid their death penalty. What they do from that point forward determined their eternity. Christ will give each of us an opportunity to live life theway he intends for us. He will not have to say take my word for it that my wayis far better; we will have our former life to compare it with. Those who allow God's Holy Spirit to change them willBe turned to living Sons of God. Part of the God family. Those who do not change will then be destroyed for allof eternity. Since they were resurrected as flesh and blood they will be consumed. There is much, much more than this. This is simply acondensed version.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Nwr, you know that this isn't what i am suggesting.
It is the Spirit of a sound mind. It gives us strength to exert self-control over ourlives. The Holy Spirit has enabled me to overcome manyfaults and weaknesses during my life. I still have to guard against my desires. The Holy Spirit contains the very minds of Jesus andthe Father. A person who has never had the Holy Spirit dwell inthem is not one who should be offering suggestions about It. If you do not want to believe that Adam and Eve werereal people, then don't. The Holy Bible, as well as Jesus, says they werereal. And, I believe it completely. And, as I said before, the number of people whobelieve a certain way has nothing to do with whether something is true or not.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Tangle, evil would be to create humans as mindless
robots that have no emotions or self determination. We humans, under the influence of Satan, cause eachother pain and suffering. God would rather us not smoke but He won't preventour hand from into our shit pocket for a cigarette. Not bearing false witness does not cause evil to happen. Not stealing doesn't cause evil things to happen. Not committing adultery/fornication doesn't causeunwanted pregnancies or divorces. To love thy neighbor as thyself does not cause wars orviolence against each other. Pain and suffering is not the result of following God'slaws but are the results of not following His laws. The same still holds true though. In order for us todecide which way of life we prefer we must experience both. God knows this. A few decades of pain and suffering doesn't compare toan eternity of true happiness and joy.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Tangle, tell me how it is possible to create an
environment without pain and suffering when the inhabitants are flesh and blood humans. Humans have needs. We have emotions; often strongemotions. Humans get sick. We feel pain. We feel jealousy. Those who join the God family will be Spirit Beings.We will not have physical needs. Our character of outgoing love for each other will bepermanent. Now you tell me how it is possible for human beingsTo live in absolute joy without anything bad ever happening to them. God owes us nothing. However, He is offering each ofus the opportunity to become a member of the God family. But, He knows the best way to do this. Pain and suffering are not enjoyable but they do helpus to grow and realize how much we need for Christ to return to earth and set up His Kingdom. He gave us a taste of what His Kingdom will be likewhen healed the sick and fed the poor. You still need to tell us exactly how mortal humans canlive without experiencing any pain and suffering. If you were all powerful, how would you accomplish this?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
GDR, Plato, as well as many other nations, both ancient
and modern, believe that the soul is an immortal entity. The vast majority of Christian churches believe thissame concept. The Apostles, as well as God's true church, does notbelieve this, because it is not Biblical. In the OT the Word "soul" comes from the Hebrewnephesh. It refers to a breathing animal. Notice in Genesis 2:7 that Adam became a breathingsoul after God breathed the breath of life into him. Before God breathed life into the soul (Adam) it (soul)had neither consciousness nor awareness. The creatures in Acts1:21, 24; 2:19 and 9:10, 12,15, 16,as well as numerous other places are from "nephesh", a soul. Ezekiel 18:4, 20 states very clearly that the soul canindeed die. In Matthew 16:25-26 the Greek word for soul (psuche)is used for both life and soul. 25 "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: andwhosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it." 26. "For what is a man profited, if he should gain thewhole world, and lose his own soul (life)? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul (life)." I am going to finish this, but it will have to wait for anhour or so. Two of the workers at the animal shelter where Ivolunteer are sick. I must go check on the welfare of several horses. Someone called and reported them as being neglected.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
GDR, most of the world believes that when we die we
live on in another form or substance. The vast majority of Christian churches also teach this. They teach that we are still conscious after death. Mostof them teach that only our physical body dies. The men who wrote the Holy Bible record a completelydifferent perspective. Very carefully read Job 14:10-15; Psalms 146: 3-4;Ecclesiastical 9:4-6, 10, as well as numerous other passages. What these passages prove to us is that when anindividual dies his very thoughts perish. They show us that they have no consciousness; thatthe living know they will die but the dead no nothing. When we die our wisdom and knowledge perishes. Wecan longer devise, plan, or scheme. Job asks God to appoint him a set time and rememberhim. Job states that he would wait his appointed time in thegrave until his change came. His change will occur at the first resurrection when he would be raised with a spirit body as a born again son of God. A member of the God family. King David was a man after God's on heart. He ismentioned more times in the Bible than anyone, even Abraham and Moses. Peter tells us in Acts 2: 29, 34 that David is still deadand buried, and that He has not ascended to heaven. Read Hebrews 11, the faith chapter. Notice that all thesegreat men of faith died without receiving the promise. That promise was/is eternal life. But they will receivethis promise at the first resurrection. Jesus said that no man had ascended to heaven. John 3:13. Pagans teach that everyone lives on after death.The Holy Bible doesn't. The Bible teaches only Christ can bring us back toconsciousness. The owner of the horses is on his way home. I will showthat members of the God family will receive a spiritual body, just like their heavenly father.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
GDR, take a look at Exodus 33:18-23. Moses was allow
to see Jesus in all His glory. But, he was only allowed to see the backside of Him. One could not even look on His face because he woulddie. The prophet Daniel was allowed to see the angel Gabrielin his spiritual body. Daniel 10; 6. Daniel describes him as having a body like beryl; face asthe appearance of lightning; eyes as lamps of fire; arms and feet like polished brass; and, a voice as a multitude. The Apostle Paul states those who become members ofthe God family will judge (rule over them) angels. 1 Cor. 6:3-5. Romans 8:17 states that we will be joint-heirs with Christ.That we will be glorified together. As Christ is so shall we be. Read the rest of this chapter, especially vs. 29. All who become members of the God family will thenconform to the image of Christ. We will conform to the spiritual image of Chrict. 2 Peter 1:4 states that we will be partakers of God'sdevine nature. Philippians 3:21 tells us that Christ will change our vilebody, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body. As sons of God we will inherit all things. The entireuniverse will be at our disposal. We will then set about beautifying the entire universe. God's occupation is that of a Creator. And so will we be. There is now more than 200 galaxies for every humanwho has ever lived. This is a very conservative estimate. Each member of the God family will have countless angelsunder them to assist them with their work. As members of the God family we will have dominionover all things. In Psalms 147:4 God knows the numbers of stars, and Hecalls all the stars in the universe by name. In order for us to exercise dominion we must have aspiritual body in order to withstand the raging thermo- nuclear furnaces of more than 60 billion trillion sun's and every subatomic particle of every atom in the universe. There's much more than this but this is all I have the timefor.
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