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1. Science doesn't deal in proof. It deals in evidence. And so do you, of course. When you drive through an intersection, you want evidence that another car is not going to hit you, so you look both ways.
2. Science doesn't deal in absolutes. And neither do you, of course. You don't stop at an intersection waiting for "absolute proof" that no car can possibly hit you. You go with the preponderance of evidence, the probability.So stop being dishonest. Nope. Belief is for when there is NO evidence. For example. there is NO evidence of any UNnatural cause for life. Exactly. So YOUR belief is worth less than one cent. I don't have a belief. I have evidence. I don't have any faith, i have evidence. Do you know anything about the so-called "laws of nature"? Did you know, for example that even what creationists call 'laws of nature" don't trump evidence? That "law' is just something that creationists made up. It has nothing to do with science. Scientific evidence shows no such thing. Hint: Life is made of chemicals. What magic do you think there is that makes some chemicals alive and other chemicals not alive?

Dwise, you talk about absolute proof for life.Let me tell you that I personally do not care how you or
anyone else think that life began. What you believe has
no effect on me or my life.God tells His followers not to "cast their pearls before swine."
He tells us that they are unable to appreciate the value of
our understanding.In other words, don't offer what one holds dear to someone
who won't appreciate it.My advice to Ringo was he simply does not know how
life began. And, he doesn't.He, like you, can have an opinion, but that's all it will ever
amount to.Evolutionists believe that life was created by random
chance. But, there is no absolute proof of this. It takes
great faith to believe that life came from nonlife.My point was simply that Neither you nor Ringo can be
for certain whether life was created by design or by a
freak of nature.

There are many evolutionists who think the first life was created by God. This is common among Christians who accept evolution.More to the point, not one thing in the theory of evolution would need to be changed if the first life was created by God and the biodiversity we see today evolved from that universal common ancestor. But it requires no faith to believe life was magicked into existence by a deity?

Taq, in your vision of theistic evolution are the first
eleven chapters of Genesis to be taken as allegories?Was Adam created by God's own hands, or did Adam
evolve from a lower life form?After Adam came to be did evolution continue, or did it
then cease?Do theistic evolutionists believe that God had the power to
create Adam instantly?You need to clarify your stance.

Ask a theistic evolutionist. All I know is that there are millions and millions of Christians who accept evolution.

Taq, the number of people who believe a certain way has
nothing to do with whether they are right or not.

Ringo, you say that evolutionists do not deal with proof.
And, you are 100% right. There is no proof of evolution.
See, we agree.Evolutionists do not have evidence that creationists
don't have. Everyone has access to the same evidence.
The interpretation is different.In any event, evolutionists have faith, and nothing more,
that their views are right.Judging by your posts and the evidence (be honest and
tell me how close I am) I say with 90% certainty that you
live in Canada.80% certainty that you are female.
85% certainty that you are between 75-80 years old.
95% certainty that you believe in the existence of God,
but you try your best to deny this.Based on the available evidence how did I do.

We are not talking about whether they are right nor not. We are talking about what they say their beliefs are. Earlier, you said:"Evolutionists believe that life was created by random chance."I was pointing out that this isn't true of all evolutionists. There are evolutionists who believe the first life was created by God.

There is also no proof for the thousands of scientific theories that you do accept, like the Germ Theory of Disease. That's false. Creationists more often than not refuse to interpret the evidence, or interpret it in a way that has no connection to the actual evidence. We have evidence, not faith.

Seeing as how this is a Faith & Belief topic, evolution vs creationism, though fair game, takes us off on a rabbit trail. candle, knock it off.
Let me help you steer back on course, or, if you prefer, start a new topic. The interpretation that should be discussed is the idea of a Higher power, cosmic intelligence, or topic-specifically a Triune God.

And with you it gets even more unnecessarily complex. To wit: In another thread you even brought up Quatzechotal, for crying out loud! I will try and show you why you run from the truth and are dishonest with yourself. Message 95
I recall this argument. You stubbornly clung to the fact that if the Creator allowed the "hole to be dug" by which people could fall into it, He was in fact evil. So my basic belief, shared by Dr.Peter Kreeft, is that God initially only created the possibility of evil. To wit: Some would agree, others wouldnt. Which only shows that evil is actualized in our world today and threatens to consume us. You mouth off to God more than I do...even more than Job did! Not bad for a guy who believes there is no (One) God. ! You will likely say that you were talking to NoNukes and not God, but I would come back with "Whatever you do to the least of these you do to Me". Now I expect you to again go off on me that I am the one who does not respect the "Dusty Old Book" and that I don't listen to Jesus and I am often hateful and disrespective of the poor...and others.
I wont defend my own "goodness" or "badness". In fact I will even say guilty as charged. Now what? Why not think about it for once? You claim that its all God fault according to Isaiah 45:7. In fact, here are several translations: Interesting, to say the least. Note how in Job, God takes full responsibility for all that Job has endured and nobody blames Satan. Once Job actually finds out who God is, he ceased being agitated and inquisitive. He had found God...the One who is, Was, and will forever be. You, on the other hand, have mentioned being Satans defense attorney!Note your response to me in a recent thread: The problem with the tree of knowledge is that people became more aware of themselves and less aware of God. Had they chosen the other tree they could have had Jesus but instead they chose the tree of self actualization.And I like how you capitalize I AM. Did the snake teach you that? ​
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Is there freedom in heaven Phat?

Yes, I believe so. God is confidant and secure there. He does not fear disagreement. I doubt whethere there is any, however. Who would even want to complain?

So why is it not possible here?

I was unaware that nobody has freedom *here*.You are free to throw away the bells and smells of your youth. Evidently you never learned any more than that. You were forced to study art while never meeting the artist.