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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, there is no other location that fits the Biblical
description of the Red Sea crossing. If you believe there is, then state your location. But, itwon't add up.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, I have had problems accessing the site the past
couple of days. I don't know why. The Bible says a good deal about the description of theroute that the Israelites took. I will get to that in another post. Right now I want to relay what NASA discovered in 1991. In 1991 Saddam Hussein (Iraq) had his troops bury 1500tanks up to the turrets along the Saudi border. He concealed them. The United States determined that the tanks (metal)would heat up during the day and when the land cooled at night infrared would permit them to locate each and every tank. The infrared cameras were sensitive enough to detect atemperature difference of just half a degree F. The infrared cameras pinpointed the exact route of theExodus. It pinpointed a thin red line from Succoth through the wilderness of the Red Sea, through the Wadi Watir, to Nuweiba Beach, on the Gulf of Aquaba. The thin red line continued on the other side of the RedSea, and continued on to Jabal Al Lawz (Mt. Sinai) in Saudi Arabia. NASA theorized that the roughly two and a half millionIsraelites, plus their livestock and other animals pulverized the sand into a fine powder that hardened and was then covered by a layer of sand. The hard-packed route would collect more heat from thesun and the night-time differences in temperature would show up on infrared. It shows the exact route that the Bible lays out. This is an undeniable fact.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, you are one funny guy. You actually believe that
Moses parted the six inch deep Sea of Reeds and that when the whole eighty gallons of water returned it destroyed the entire Egyptian army. Josephus stated in "Antiquities of the Jews" that besidesthe 600 choice chariots that there were an additional 50,000 horse soldiers and 200,000 foot soldiers. And, you actually believe that several gallons of waterdestroyed this entire army. And that this six inch deep water erased any and all evidence of that army's remains. It is true that Yam-Suf that be interpretated as either "Seaof Reeds" or "Red Sea," depending on the context. Of the 24 times Yam-Suf is mentioned in the Bible, atleast seven times it refers to the "Red Sea." One such place is in1Kings 9:26 which states thatSolomon had a navy on the shore of the Red Sea (Yam-Suf). Exodus 14:29 states that the sea parted into a wall ofwater on both sides of the Israelites. I still chuckle at your assertion that the Sea of Reedscould in any way amount to two great walls of water. Isaiah 51:10 "Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, thewaters of the Great deep; that hath made the depths of the Sea a way for the ransomed to pass over?" Notice that Isaiah did not say the very shallow waters.He used the term the "great deep." Here "deep" can be interpreted as the abyss; surging massof water; or, main sea. What "great deep" cannot refer to is a shallow marsh ofwater.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, the Red Sea is more than a mile and a half deep
in many places, with an incline much too deep to permit travel by foot. In addition the Red Sea is littered with large boulders and sharp rocks. The only spot on the Red Sea without these rockyintrusions is located between Nuweiba Beach and the Saudi shore, thirteen miles away. The Sea between these two points is one-half miles deep.It is a kind of natural land bridge built up by sand runoff from both sides of the Sea. Look at Nuweiba Beach on the map. It is an area ofroughly 16 square miles. Also look at the wadi watir that leads to Nuweiba Beach.There are tall rocky mountains on both sides of the watir. The 250,000 strong Egyptian army was coming up behindthem. The Israelites were hemmed in by the mountains on thesides of them, with the Sea in front of them, and the Egyptian army behind the. They were angry with Moses; accusing him of bringingthem there to die. At this point they were totally dependent on God fortheir deliverance. There have been a number of photographers who havetaken underwater photos of coral encrusted chariot wheels and axles. The coral encrusted wheels are of both four and sixspokes, which were in use by the Egyptians at that time. The are coral encrusted objects with 90 degree angles,as well as axles with wheels on both ends. Like I said, there are no rock formations in that area forcorals to attach themselves to. The corals have attached themselves to man-made objects. The degree of fall and rise between the two shores is sominimal that someone in a wheelchair could travel it. No one is permitted to remove objects from the area, andonly an idiot would try.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, what does tradition have to do with this? If the
traditional site does not agree with the Bible then tradition is not worth a plug nickel. Using the "traditional" carries no weight. The land between Succoth and the wadi watir isrelatively flat. It would have been relatively easy for the Egyptians and the chariots to catch the Israelites. Read the incident in Exodus very carefully. Godlead the Israelites in a a route that would make Pharoah think they were wandering around in confusion. God wanted Pharoah to come after the Israelites.He used this opportunity to show both the Egyptians and Israeltes His mighty hand. I told you that the depth of the water over the naturalbridge was half a mile deep. The wall of water on each side of the Israelites when walking across would have towered half a mile over them. God moved back half a mile of water, and He held it backuntil the Israelites had passed through. He then released the water on the Egyptian army. You were actually agreeing with me when you stated thatthe water at the Nuweiba crossing site was 850 meters. Your arguments actually help me. Exodus mentions that Pharoah took with him his best 600chariots; plus all the other chariots; plus all his horsemen, and his entire army. The first-born sons of Egypt had just died. This was froma direct result of the Israelite's God. The Israelites had taken much of the gold and valuables ofthe Egyptians with them. They took with them all animals they wanted. Plus, the Egyptians had also just lost their entire slave labor force. They had made the Egyptians look like fools. 20,000, not even 50,000 soldiers would have been enoughto defeat the 600,000 men of Israel. The Israelites were used to hard manual labor. They were not soft. Pharoah took his entire army. I do not know if coral can become encrusted on wood ornot. But many of the wheels were covered with metal, especially the 600 choice chariots. When Moses escaped from Pharoah after killing theEgyptian, he ended up in Midian, in Saudi Arabia. The burning bush was on Mt. Horeb in Saudi Arabia. In Exodus 3:12 God told Moses that after Moses hadbrought forth the people out of Egypt that they were to serve Him on that mountain. Mt. Horeb (Mt. Sinai), was in Saudi Arabia, oppositeside of the Red Sea. Today this mountains is known as Jabal Al Kawz. Constantine's mother was the reason people thoughtMt. Sinai was in the Suez peninsula. She said that that was where it was located. There is a strip along Nuweiba Beach where the sandand gravel have been fused. God had created a pillar of fire that kept the Egyptians held back until the Israelites had passed through the sea. If you looked at the wadi watir and Nuweiba Beach andstill cannot understand how the Israelites would have felt hemmed in, then the problem of perception lies with you.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, the NIV states that the Israelites were hemmed in.
The marshlands of Sinai have never been referred to asthe "Great Deep." You are being deliberately deceptive because you know this is true. There would have been no need to part the wee little tinywater in the marshland. The chariots would have become bogged down and rendered worthless. The chariots of Pharoah could have traveled easilythrough the flat land in the peninsula. The chariots of Pharoah could have traveled through thethe wadi watir. The ww was covered with sand. The same sand that had washed out onto Nuweiba Beach, and formed the underwater land bridge. The mountains on the sides of the wadi watir were tall,sharp, and jagged; not the wadi watir itself. There is no evidence of any kind that the Egyptiansdrowned in the shallow marshlands of the Sea of Reeds. There is no evidence of any kind that Mt. Sinai was in thePeninsula. The only reason that the myth of Mt. Sinai being in thePeninsula was that Constantine believed he had a Revelation from God. He sent his mom, Helena to verify it. She told him what he wished to hear. I'll repeat, there is not one piece of concrete proof that hasbeen produced to validate the assertion was in the Sinai Peninsula. The same goes for the marshland drowning 250,000 Egyptian soldiers. As Isaiah clearly states: the Egyptians drowned in the greatdeep. And there is evidence of this. Ron White is not the only individual who has offered proof. You dismiss the verses that you don't like, or that you don'tagree with. You must receive much of your instructions from Ringo.His motto is deny, deny, deny.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, let's look at two Biblical versions of Psalms 77:19.
"Your path led through the sea, your way through thewaters, though your footprints were not seen." "Your road led through the sea, your pathway through The mighty waters, a pathways one knew was there." No one knew that the underwater bridge of the Red Sea(mighty waters-not a shallow marshlands) was there. It could not be seen until the sea was parted. Photos from both sides (Egypt and Saudi Arabia)of theunderwater pathway clearly show coral encrusted chariot wheels; axles; chariot frames; horse bones; and, human bones. There are even photos of a golden chariot wheel. Coralsdon't attach to gold. Could this have been from the Pharoah's own chariot? Exodus 14:3 states that the Israelites had becomeentangled in the land. The wilderness had shut them in. The only place that could have shut them in wasNuweiba Beach. There were rugged mountains on their sides and the RedSea was in front of them. The Egyptians were behind them in the wadi watir. Thiswas their only route of escape. The Egyptians could not go around the pillar of fire andattached the Isrelites. Why? Because the pillar of fire extended across the wadiwatir. On both sides of the wadi watir were rugged most. Names of ancient places change over time. And oftentimesthere were more than one place with the same name. You deny that Isaiah had special knowledge of the Red Seacrossing. If you don't believe some of the Bible, why believe any of it?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, let's look at two Biblical versions of Psalms 77:19.
"Your path led through the sea, your way through thewaters, though your footprints were not seen." "Your road led through the sea, your pathway through The mighty waters, a pathways one knew was there." No one knew that the underwater bridge of the Red Sea(mighty waters-not a shallow marshlands) was there. It could not be seen until the sea was parted. Photos from both sides (Egypt and Saudi Arabia)of theunderwater pathway clearly show coral encrusted chariot wheels; axles; chariot frames; horse bones; and, human bones. There are even photos of a golden chariot wheel. Coralsdon't attach to gold. Could this have been from the Pharoah's own chariot? Exodus 14:3 states that the Israelites had becomeentangled in the land. The wilderness had shut them in. The only place that could have shut them in wasNuweiba Beach. There were rugged mountains on their sides and the RedSea was in front of them. The Egyptians were behind them in the wadi watir. Thiswas their only route of escape. The Egyptians could not go around the pillar of fire andattached the Isrelites. Why? Because the pillar of fire extended across the wadiwatir. On both sides of the wadi watir were rugged most. Names of ancient places change over time. And oftentimesthere were more than one place with the same name. You deny that Isaiah had special knowledge of the Red Seacrossing. If you don't believe some of the Bible, why believe any of it?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, Exodus 18:1 "When Jethro, the priest of Midian,
and Moses' father in law, heard of all God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, and that the Lord had brought Israel out of Egypt;" Jethro lived in Saudi Arabia. The residents of the areastill honor him as one of their own. They have numerous sights dedicated to him.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, Exodus 15:27 "And they came to Elim, where
twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten palm trees,: and they credit there by the water." The twelve wells at Elim, in SA, are still there. So aremany palm trees. Places at this site are named after Moses. Check it out. Does this make believe site in the Peninsula have thesetwelve wells?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, Exodus 19:18 "And Mount Sinai was altogether on
a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly." The top of Mount Sinai (Jabal al Lawz) is black. No othermountain in the area are. When the rocks are turned over, the undersides are brown. Can you say the same about your place in the EgyptianPeninsula?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, 1Kings 19:8-9 states that Elijah spent forty days
and forty nights in a cave in Mount Horeb (Jabal al Lawz). There is such a cave on Mount Sinai (Jabal al Lawz) itmeasures 15'h X 20'w x 20'd. Does your Mount in the Egyptian Sinai have a cave?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, Exodus 24:4 "And Moses...rose up early in the
morning, an builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel." There is such an altar at Jabal al Lawz. There is alsoevidence where twelve pillars were erected. A few of the pillars still stand. Does the sight in the Peninsula have such an altar andpillars?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, Exodus 17:6 "Behold, I will stand before thee
there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall water come out of it, that the people may drink. Anyone's did so..." Isaiah 48:21 (NIV) "They did not thirst when he ledthem through the deserts; He made water flow for them from the rock; he split the rock and water gushed out." The split rock is still there. And the rocks at the base ofit are smooth from water flowing over them. Check it out for yourself. Is there such a rock at your Mount Sinai site?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, Exodus 32 tell about the Israelite making a golden
calf while Moses was on the mountain. Aaron built an altar on which to place the golden calf. The altar is still there. There are several petroglyphs of calves and bulls on largeboulders, much like those in Egypt. There is a circular area where Moses could have groundthe golden calf down. The valley at Jabal al Laws is about 10,000 acres in size.It was large enough to accommodate the Israelites. After Mosez came down from the mountain and saw thegolden calf, he had 3000 put to death. Exodus 32:28. Four Miles from the site is a burial sit of perhaps 400yards. The headstones ate upright, which is forbidden in Islam. "The rock distribution pattern and uniform degree ofpatina suggests a concentrated period of activity, not a serial accuracy over centuries." Dr. Gen Fritz, "The Exodus Mysteries: of Midian, Sinai, andJabal al Lawz." Does your site in the Egyptian Peninsula have anythinglike this?
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