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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, Exodus 15:27 "And they came to Elim, where
twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten palm trees,: and they credit there by the water." The twelve wells at Elim, in SA, are still there. So aremany palm trees. Places at this site are named after Moses. Check it out. Does this make believe site in the Peninsula have thesetwelve wells?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Sounds like Oyun Musa - but that is in Egypt. Want to say why your site is the correct one, given that names are uncertain evidence - as you admit.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, Exodus 19:18 "And Mount Sinai was altogether on
a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly." The top of Mount Sinai (Jabal al Lawz) is black. No othermountain in the area are. When the rocks are turned over, the undersides are brown. Can you say the same about your place in the EgyptianPeninsula?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, 1Kings 19:8-9 states that Elijah spent forty days
and forty nights in a cave in Mount Horeb (Jabal al Lawz). There is such a cave on Mount Sinai (Jabal al Lawz) itmeasures 15'h X 20'w x 20'd. Does your Mount in the Egyptian Sinai have a cave?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: The dark colour of the rocks at Jabal Maqla- which is the mountain you refer to - is due to a layer of darker rock (hornfels, rather than the paler granite beneath). It’s not the result of any event in the last few thousand years. Odd that your “decades” of research hadn’t found that out. If you have “overwhelming evidence” why are you wasting time with stuff like this?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, Exodus 24:4 "And Moses...rose up early in the
morning, an builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel." There is such an altar at Jabal al Lawz. There is alsoevidence where twelve pillars were erected. A few of the pillars still stand. Does the sight in the Peninsula have such an altar andpillars?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
You’re seriously arguing that the presence of a cave is significant evidence? And yes, the traditional location has caves.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Doing a little reasearch myself, these identifications are extremely dubious. Again, far from the “overwhelming evidence” you claimed. What next? Are you going to say that since Paul said Mt Sinai was in Arabia he meant Saudi Arabia? That’s one of the standard lines from the Wyatt camp. It’s also pretty stupid for reasons that should be obvious.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, Exodus 17:6 "Behold, I will stand before thee
there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall water come out of it, that the people may drink. Anyone's did so..." Isaiah 48:21 (NIV) "They did not thirst when he ledthem through the deserts; He made water flow for them from the rock; he split the rock and water gushed out." The split rock is still there. And the rocks at the base ofit are smooth from water flowing over them. Check it out for yourself. Is there such a rock at your Mount Sinai site?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: To the best of my knowledge, split rocks aren’t that rare. And if I remember correctly there wasn’t much evidence of water.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, Exodus 32 tell about the Israelite making a golden
calf while Moses was on the mountain. Aaron built an altar on which to place the golden calf. The altar is still there. There are several petroglyphs of calves and bulls on largeboulders, much like those in Egypt. There is a circular area where Moses could have groundthe golden calf down. The valley at Jabal al Laws is about 10,000 acres in size.It was large enough to accommodate the Israelites. After Mosez came down from the mountain and saw thegolden calf, he had 3000 put to death. Exodus 32:28. Four Miles from the site is a burial sit of perhaps 400yards. The headstones ate upright, which is forbidden in Islam. "The rock distribution pattern and uniform degree ofpatina suggests a concentrated period of activity, not a serial accuracy over centuries." Dr. Gen Fritz, "The Exodus Mysteries: of Midian, Sinai, andJabal al Lawz." Does your site in the Egyptian Peninsula have anythinglike this?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, at Mount Sinai (Jabal al Lawz) we have the cave
of Elijah; altar of Moses; wells; golden calf altar; an old stream that ran down: blackened top; 3000 graves cemetary; lakebed; petroglyphs of bulls; and, Moses' speaking platform located a little ways up the mountain. The name for Moses in SA is Mousa and/or Mustafa. Many places in that area was named after Mousa. Jabal Mousa.Valley of Mousa. Well if Mousa. Land of Mousa. ETC. the Saudi government has a fence around the area. It iskept under guard, with signs in both Arabic and English warning against entrance. The Jihad and the Saudi's have no doubt that this wasthe mountain of Moses (Mousa, Mustafa). They say they want to preserve and protect such a highreligious site. They want to preserve it. Their reasons for guarding the site might be true. However,They might want to keep the fact that the Israelites sojourned so long in their land a secret. Now I want to hear all your evidence of St. CatherineMonastery being on the so-called Mt. Sinai in the Peninsula.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Paulk, if split rocks are not that rare, then it should be
quite simple for you to tell us about the one in the Peninsula. The one at Mount Sinai is big enough for a man to walkthough.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Well, I personally am glad that candle2 is wasting all his time on utterly worthless religious nonsense instead of trying to destroy science education.
Besides, watching utterly stupid religious blatherings does have some entertainment value.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
the Saudi government has a fence around the area. It is
No they don't. It is not under guard.kept under guard, with signs in both Arabic and English warning against entrance. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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