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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, you say that God created everything. I am going to
force you to defend that position in a series of questions . Who is Melchisedec in Hebrews 7. He is without father,without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; Abraham gave Him a tenth of all he owned.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, Exodus 24: 9-10
"Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu,and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel:..." Who did they see?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, who was speaking to whom in Genesis 3:23?
"And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become asone of us..."
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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Phat, Melchisedec is the same individual as Jesus
Christ. This is just one more example of Jesus' prior existencebefore allowing Himself to be born as a human. People run from passages that they have no answer for.
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Ringo, if Jesus never existed before His human birth,
why did He say this in John 17:5 "And now, 0 Father, glorify thou me with thine own selfwith the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Taq, I am 69 years old, and I know with crystal clarity
when gas prices started up. In Murray, KY, I was paying $1.60 per gallon when Trumpleft office. When Russia invaded Ukraine gas was already over $4.00per gallon. The cost of food and others necessities increased at ornear the same rate. When Trump left office America was producing enoughoil to supply all our needs, as well as exporting to our allies. The very first day Biden was in office he stopped thepipeline from transporting oil, even though trucking it would be two to three times more costly. His administration began to place numerous andcostly restrictions on American companies who had leases to drill on federal land. He made it too costly for them to and make a profit,which is what the Democrats wanted. At the same time Biden encouraged the building of agas pipeline from Russia to Western Europe, which forced them to rely on Russia for their energy. We could have provided them with this energy. Europe is in one heck of an energy crisis. They arereverting back to coal for much of their energy. Coal is not as environmentally clean as petroleum. You are being dishonest in that you lived through thepast two years yourself. You know when gas prices began to rise. It was the day Biden took office. We are deleting our supply of diesel fuel. And whilewe are running low, Biden is still exporting over one million barrels of diesel daily. Where were you at when the Democrats were havingtheir presidental Debates? Were you even paying attention? Every one of the stated on numerous occasions thatthey would phase out fossil fuel. Everyone of the also stated, and strongly, their supportfor socialism. Either the Democratic leaders are the most incompetentleaders in the world, or they are breaking America down In order to gain complete control. The pandemic was vastly overated. The Flu is moredeadly. It was simply a tool used by the left.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
The Dixiecrats were Democrats. Besides Strom
Thurmond one other Dixiecrat might have done so. However, Strom did not switch until the mid 60s. By that time he did not have the same rhetoric Does Robert Byrd Ring a bell. Also look into Biden'spass. Understand one thing, the majority of Dixiecrats didnot leave the Democratic Party. More Republicans voted for the CRA than did Democrats.The main objections came from the Dixiecrat Democrats. The Democrats were responsible for taking land fromNative Americans. They were responsible for giving Smallpox infectedblankets to then. They were the party of slavery; Jim Crow; poll taxes;lynchings; and, segregation. They are the party of the internment ID JapaneseAmericans during WW2. They are also the proud parents of the KKK, andre-emergence of the KKK. The KKK was the terrorist wing of the DemocraticParty. Many of America's worse cities for blacks are controlledby Democrats, and have been for decades. These cities have been controlled by Democratic mayor's,and councilmen. They are the ones responsible for the lives of those they serve. But, they have failed them miserably. This is Even afterreceiving trillions in assistance. The lives of these blacks are a result of the Democratsover them. Nothing more.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, you said that it would be a tall order to force you.
Maybe, maybe not, but it won't take much to make you look foolish. You replied that Hebrews 7: 3 was merely a figure ofspeech. If Melchisedec had always existed, if He were withoutparents, and, if he would live forever, there is no clearer or more precise way to say this than: 3. "Without father, without mother, without descent,having neither beginning of days, nor end of life..." This is plain enough for a second grader to understandquite easily.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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Ringo, you admit that the 70 elders in Exodus 24 saw God.
Moses saw God face to face. Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake with Moses face toface, as a man speaker unto his friend." Moses stayed with God for 40 days. In order for Moses and all others who saw God in the OTGod had to take on a physical body. How do we know this? In Exodus 33 Moses asked to see God in all His gloryverses 18. Verse 20 "And He said (God) "Thou canst not see myface: for there shall no man see me and live." But God put Moses in the cleft of a rock and coveredMoses' eyes until He (God) had passed by him. Verse 23 "And I will take away mine hand, and thoushalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen. More than 100 people saw God in the OT. But, the God they saw was Jesus. John 1:18 "No man has seen God at anytime ; the onlybegotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared (made known) him." Speaking of His Father Jesus stated: John 5:37 "And the Father Himself, which has sent me,has borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape." John 6:46 Jesus said "Not that any man has seen theFather, save He which is of God, He has seen the Father. John 17:25-26 "O righteous Father, the world has notknown thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou has sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name..." Since it is clear that no one in history has ever seen Godthe Father, but a number of people have seen God, then The God that they saw was Jesus.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
In Revelations 19:13 John says that Jesus is the Word of
God. "And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: andHis name is called '"The WORD OF God.'" In Revelations 22:13 Jesus said "I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the end, the first a day the last."
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Ringo, in Exodus 3, God appeared to Moses as a flame
of fire in the midst of a bush, Moses asked God what he should tell the Israelites when they ask who sent him. Verse 14. God's reply to Moses was "I AM THAT I AM:"Tell them that I AM has sent me to you. John 8: 56-59 Jesus told the Pharisees: 56. "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: andhe saw it, and was glad." 57. "Then said the Jews unto Him, Thou art not yetfifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?" 58. "Jesus said unto them, truly, truly, I say unto you,before Abraham was, I AM." 59."Then they took up stone to cast at Him..." They thought it blasphemy because they understoodperfectly well what Jesus' statements meant. How could they not understand his meaning? It iseasily understood. In John 18 Judas, the chief priest, and officers cameupon Jesus, and He said unto them, "Whom seek ye?" They answered "Jesus of Nazareth." Jesus replied " I AM." Notice that the word "he" in "I AM he" is in italics,meaning that it was added by the translators in order to make it grammatically correct. "He is not in the older manuscripts. "As soon then as He had said unto them, I AM, theywent backward, and fell to the ground." Jesus referred to Himself as "I AM:" in many of hissayings. "The bread of life.""Light of the world." "The door." "Good shepherd." "Resurrection and the life." "Way, truth, and the life." "The vine." ETC... In the OT God referred to Himself in the same ways. In John 8:24 Jesus told the Jews: "If you believe not that I AM (he is in italics) you shalldie in your sins." Jesus told His disciples in John 13 "Now I tell youbefore it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I AM (he). Jesus was the I AM that appeared to Moses. Jesus was the God of the OT. No one has ever seenthe Fathet.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Phat, I am very honest in what I'm saying.
The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. And, the past behavior of Democrats is really, really nasty.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, was this a hallucination by Paul, or did he lie?
1Corinthians 10:1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should beignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea. And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and inthe sea. And did all eat the same spiritual meat. And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drankof that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." The God that led the Israelites out of Egypt was Christ. Jesus was the member of the God kind (family) that wasIn the cloud. Jesus was the member of the God kind that wrote thethe 10 Commandments on stone-in order to show their permanence. The Apostle Thomas understood this perfectly, which iswhy he called Jesus "My Lord and my God." John 20:28.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, read Luke 24:25-27
"Then He said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart tobelieve all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and toenter into His glory? And beginning at Moses and all he prophets, heexpounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself." In other words, Jesus stated plainly that He pointedout to all the OT prophets all the OT scriptures that pertained to Him. In order for Him to have been able to do that He wouldhave, by necessity, had pre-existence before His human birth by Mary. What was Luke's issue? Was he lying?Was he deceived? Was he doing mushrooms, which caused him to hallucinate? The only way you can maintain that Christ was not theCreator of all that exists is to deny, deny, deny. And, that is not a good premise in which to reach areasonable conclusion.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Tangle, the Israelites crossed the Red Sea at the Gulf of
Aquaba. The exact sight is at Nuweiba Beach. The location of Mt. Sinai is in Saudi Arabia. The evidence is overwhelming and fits perfectly withthe account in Exodus. I would advise everyone to watch the videos and readthe articles about Nuweiba Beach and the Red Sea Crossing. I have been looking into this for several decades.
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