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Author Topic:   Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."
Tanypteryx
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Message 1516 of 2932 (901601)
11-12-2022 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1515 by AZPaul3
11-12-2022 9:09 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
At least he's chasing something real not the bs fantasy you are fumbling all over.
And he still has no chance of explaining the patterns of ERVs, because he can't even figure out how to search for patterns in large data sets. He even thinks fossils are the work of Gypsies.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 1517 of 2932 (901602)
11-12-2022 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1516 by Tanypteryx
11-12-2022 11:02 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
A good thing here is Taq has him fumbling over his own incompetent math which is fun to watch.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1518 of 2932 (901603)
11-12-2022 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1517 by AZPaul3
11-12-2022 11:07 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
It has been entertaining.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Theodoric
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Message 1519 of 2932 (901604)
11-13-2022 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1509 by Kleinman
11-12-2022 7:42 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Why would I file a complaint for you expressing a dumbass opinion? Neither board is interested in or has jurisdiction over you being a lying POS.
You want to threaten me or just make attacks?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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PaulK
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Message 1520 of 2932 (901606)
11-13-2022 2:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1505 by Kleinman
11-12-2022 7:38 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
quote:
Don't blame your confusion on me. Your confusion is your problem.
Your unclear writing is your problem. If A and B are alleles then the natural readings is that C is also an allele.
quote:
You are still confused.
You object to a simple example of the rule of 1 on the grounds that it supposedly assumes heterozygosity (even though it doesn’t) You claim to understand what you are saying. The implication is obvious.
quote:
You are the one blaming me for your confusion. Why don't you take responsibility for your own confusion?
You claimed that a simpler application of the rule of 1 assumed heterozygosity when it did not. That is your problem, not mine.

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PaulK
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Message 1521 of 2932 (901607)
11-13-2022 2:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1507 by Kleinman
11-12-2022 7:40 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
quote:
Still confused, aren't you?
Oh no. I just know something you don’t.

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Kleinman
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Message 1522 of 2932 (901612)
11-13-2022 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1514 by Tanypteryx
11-12-2022 8:51 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
You think that chasing bugs around demonstrates your scientific rigor.
Tanypteryx:
Well, you are not qualified to judge that, but I think it's fun and it taught me to identify thousands of species by sight. Plus I have supplied thousands of specimens for molecular sequencing.

You have absolutely no understanding of the laws of physics or mathematics. You only chase bugs.
Kleinman:
No wonder you can't explain the Kishony and Lenski experiments.
Tanypteryx:
I have no reason to explain them, they are irrelevant to everyone but you, and apparently you can't explain them either.

These are the simplest examples of biological evolution and you have no idea how they work. That's because you are completely ignorant of the laws of physics and mathematics.
Kleinman:
Physics and mathematics are foreign subjects to you.
Tanypteryx:
If I can't figure a subject out, luckily I have smart friends who can explain it to me.

Your friends can't explain the Kishony and Lenski experiment either. They don't understand the laws of physics and mathematics either.
Kleinman:
Go chase some bugs, that's all you are good for.
Tanypteryx:
At least I know how sex works and that it doesn't violate 2LoT.

Yeah right, you understand the second law of thermodynamics like you understand how biological evolution works and that is no understanding. Go chase some bugs, that's all you are good for.

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Kleinman
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Message 1523 of 2932 (901613)
11-13-2022 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1515 by AZPaul3
11-12-2022 9:09 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Tanypteryx:
You are an idiot. Go chase bugs.
AZPaul3:
At least he's chasing something real not the bs fantasy you are fumbling all over.

Now, AZPaul3 is going to explain the Kishony and Lenski experiments. Now that is a real fantasy.

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Kleinman
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Message 1524 of 2932 (901614)
11-13-2022 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1516 by Tanypteryx
11-12-2022 11:02 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
AZPaul3:
At least he's chasing something real not the bs fantasy you are fumbling all over.
Tanypteryx:
And he still has no chance of explaining the patterns of ERVs, because he can't even figure out how to search for patterns in large data sets. He even thinks fossils are the work of Gypsies.

You are too stupid to realize you are not random sampling.

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Kleinman
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Message 1525 of 2932 (901615)
11-13-2022 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1517 by AZPaul3
11-12-2022 11:07 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
AZPaul3:
A good thing here is Taq has him fumbling over his own incompetent math which is fun to watch.
Taq is so poorly trained in mathematics that he doesn't know how to use the addition rule. He doesn't know when events are mutually exclusive or not.

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Kleinman
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Message 1526 of 2932 (901616)
11-13-2022 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1518 by Tanypteryx
11-12-2022 11:18 PM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Tanypteryx:
It has been entertaining.
Why would a dope like you find it entertaining not to do the physics and mathematics of biological evolution? You are a failure in your own subject. Go chase some bugs, that's all you are good for.

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Kleinman
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Message 1527 of 2932 (901617)
11-13-2022 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1519 by Theodoric
11-13-2022 12:10 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Theodoric:
Why would I file a complaint for you expressing a dumbass opinion? Neither board is interested in or has jurisdiction over you being a lying POS.You want to threaten me or just make attacks?
Oh really? You don't think the medical board has an interest in the correct description of the evolution of drug resistance or why cancer treatments fail. You are just an idiot full of hot air.

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Kleinman
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Message 1528 of 2932 (901619)
11-13-2022 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1520 by PaulK
11-13-2022 2:17 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
Don't blame your confusion on me. Your confusion is your problem.
PaulK:
Your unclear writing is your problem. If A and B are alleles then the natural readings is that C is also an allele.

The peer reviewers had no trouble understanding my meaning and they published this work. You just don't read very carefully.
Kleinman:
You are still confused.
PaulK:
You object to a simple example of the rule of 1 on the grounds that it supposedly assumes heterozygosity (even though it doesn’t) You claim to understand what you are saying. The implication is obvious.

You assumed heterozygosity, I didn't. If I had, I would have done the problem as a multinomial distribution problem. There was no need since I was doing the simplest case first. Assuming heterozygosity reduces the probability of an adaptive recombination event occurring.
Kleinman:
You are the one blaming me for your confusion. Why don't you take responsibility for your own confusion?
PaulK:
You claimed that a simpler application of the rule of 1 assumed heterozygosity when it did not. That is your problem, not mine.

I didn't claim heterozygosity, you did. Why don't you accept the blame for your own blunders?

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Kleinman
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Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 1529 of 2932 (901620)
11-13-2022 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1521 by PaulK
11-13-2022 2:21 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Kleinman:
Still confused, aren't you?
PaulK:
Oh no. I just know something you don’t.

It certainly isn't the correct explanation of the physics and mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski experiment, or why the frequencies of the alleles in a population affect the probability of a recombination event occurring. Why don't you explain to Tany the difference between random sampling (the correct way to do a statistical problem) and non-random sampling (the way a bungler tries to fabricate data)?

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Theodoric
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Message 1530 of 2932 (901621)
11-13-2022 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1527 by Kleinman
11-13-2022 8:55 AM


Re: Kleinman does not know asexual vs sexual
Only if it impacts your professional behavior. Plenty of practicing MD's spout shit and keep their license.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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