Because your arguments are opinions and don't hold water...usually, anyway. Occasionally you make a valid point.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
It really isn't, we're talking about god, remember?
We are talking about faith. Once your money (or half of it at any rate) evaporates, you will suffer a crisis of faith.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
I'll try and be more disciplined and think before I speak. My apologies.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
So were Sequoia trees. Unless you can find the message in the tree rings, I would assert that the messenger created the trees indirectly.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
Your word search was thorough except that it only covered the New Testament. Lets examine the instances of the word in its original Hebrew and peruse the Old Testament.
Vines writes:
TO SPEAK dabar OT:1696, "to speak, say." This verb occurs in all periods of Hebrew, in Phoenician (starting from around 900 BC), and in imperial Aramaic (starting from about 500 BC). In Old Testament Hebrew it occurs about 1,125 times.
This verb focuses not only on the content of spoken verbal communication but also and especially on the time and circumstances of what is said. Unlike `amar, "to say," dabar often appears without any specification of what was communicated. Those who "speak" are primarily persons (God or men) or organs of speech. In Gen 8:15 (the first occurrence of this verb) God "spoke" to Noah, while in Gen 18:5 one of the three men "spoke" to Abraham. Exceptions to this generalization occur, for example in Job 32:7, where Elihu personifies "days" (a person's age) as that which has the right "to speak" first. In 2 Sam 23:2 David says that the Spirit of the Lord "spoke" to him; contrary to many (especially liberal) scholars, this is probably a reference to the Holy Spirit (cf. NASB).
Among the special meanings of this verb are "to say" Dan 9:21, "to command" 2 Kings 1:9, "to promise" Deut 6:3, "to commission" Ex 1:17, "to announce" Jer 36:31, "to order or command" Deut 1:14, and "to utter a song" Judg 5:12. Such secondary meanings are, however, quite infrequent. (from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright (c)1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
Note the underlined. Those pesky liberal scholars were attempting to chip away at Biblical inerrancy even back then. (whenever Vines was written) I agree with the assessment that the Holy Spirit was the inner unction...the spoken word from God, and that Jesus, as God's character, could thus be correctly known and accepted as the Word become Flesh.
Ergo, Jesus was in the beginning (before humans had evolved) and was made man (Nicene Creed) at a certain point in eternity birthed in time. The stories say that Wise Men came from afar guided only by a star. If Jesus was simply another human birthed by natural means, why do the stories suggest all of the attention?
The only counterargument that most scholars (likely liberal ) will have is that the entire story was made up simply and effectively to control the masses.
Except that it is the villain in the stories, Satan, who is really controlling and manipulating the masses.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
We're talking about religious faith. If you're going to lose your faith if you lose some of your money, you do not have a faith. But then we've already established that you're not interested in following the teachings of your professed faith.
You correctly established my cognitive dissonance regarding my beliefs and my actions, though in my defense my blood sugars were too high back then and my thinking and reasoning were diminished. I may still be a bit of a loon to you, but I am striving to be more consistent and predictable of a loon.
Who do you think you're fooling Phat? It's not us and it's not your god? Could it be yourself?
Not sure I follow. What specifically am I fooling myself about?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
Jesus doesn't seem to agree with you. He seems to be keeping score.
GDR writes:
If you see that in there then tell me how many sheep and how many goats He was talking about.
Piggybacking this idea off of the scripture,
Matthew 22:1-14 writes:
Matt 22:1-14 22:1 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2 "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.
4 "Then he sent some more servants and said, 'Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.'
5 "But they paid no attention and went off-one to his field, another to his business. 6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
8 "Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. 9 Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.' 10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.
11 "But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12'Friend,' he asked, 'how did you get in here without wedding clothes?' The man was speechless.
13 "Then the king told the attendants, 'Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
14 "For many are invited, but few are chosen."
Many could refer to most, or it could refer to ALL. All are called. ALL are invited. Few are chosen. Perhaps very few. Why? Because few choose to give it all up and follow the master. (yes, I finally agreed with you, Canuck! Now....on to our other argument:
ringo writes:
Good for them. the Bible is NOT inerrant.
The messenger is inerrent and His message is inerrant (pure and unadulterated)
ringo writes:
Jesus was an example of the message; He was NOT the message itself. Ergo, John 1:1 does NOT say that He was around since the beginning.
Church tradition says He was around since the beginning. One could argue that only GOD and the Holy Spirit were around since the beginning, but even then Jesus was likely the only human who embodied it (the Spirit) perfectly. The contenders can begin lining up at my left, along with any goats who need to repent before they die.
And you really need to stop maligning liberals.
I poke at them because it annoys them They really need to see the other side of the arguments and quit thinking their way is the best way possible. As for your assertion that it's all fiction? I agree with all of the beliefs except one. If you have any better contenders than Jesus, bring them up for examination.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
The "king" made bad choices in whom he invited. Then he behaved childishly toward the man who wasn't wearing wedding clothes. (Considering that the guests were rounded up from the street corners, it's surprising that ANY of them were in wedding clothes.) That "king" needed a good spanking.
You are so literal it hurts. You have absolutely no intrinsic insight into scripture, do you?
The King invited common people (Gentiles) because the chosen people (Jews) ignored the wedding request.(To marry their Messiah, in effect)The clothes symbolize a covering, much as God needed to sew clothes (a covering) for Adam * Eve after they ate the fruit of knowledge and metaphorically "woke up" to the false fact that they could have the knowledge of their Creator. (which humans will never come close to having)
This was why they became aware of their nakedness (lack of covering) and why God sewed them clothes that they previously had no need of. As for the naked guy at the wedding, perhaps he symbolized a commoner with an ego (such as you?) who thought he could come to a wedding little knowing that he was metaphorically the Bride (Bride of Christ) and thought so little of the messenger (despite thinking highly of the message and giving out spare change) and the King cast him out as a symbol and warning to secular humanists who feel no need to commune with nor be covered by a higher power than their chemistry books.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
The messenger is inerrant and His message is inerrant (pure and unadulterated)
Nope. You're making that up.
So? Are you suggesting that the Bible was not made up? Why do you always fail to provide a rational argument that proves that I made it up, rather than deny deny deny?
With church tradition and two dollars, you can buy a cup of coffee.
With a chemistry book, you can make a cup of coffee without beans. So what's your point?
Phat writes:
One could argue that only GOD and the Holy Spirit were around since the beginning, but even then Jesus was likely the only human who embodied it (the Spirit) perfectly.
ringo writes:
Which has nothing to do with Him being around from the beginning.
Most of your Christian friends wouyld likely agree that He was around from the beginning. Only a contrarian with a love of chemistry books would challenge such a belief.
ringo writes:
It just demonstrates that you are neither rational nor Christian.
The jury is still out on that one. Must I turn the other cheek? (I will, you know)
ringo writes:
Look in the mirror. You're the one who refuses to ever change his mind.
"It's customary to ask for two pieces of ID." I add, "Photo ID."
Im wondering what we actually see in this courtroom! Are any naked guys in there?
Edited by Phat, : fixed broken link
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
Do you imagine Matthew (whoever he was) might have meant that it will take at least a couple of thousand years?
Matthew had no idea how long it would take nor do I imagine he cared. He knew that the news was good and that all would eventually accept it. Every knee will bow eventually. Be it willing or unwilling, EVERY knee will bow.
If not then you have an unresolvable contradiction because this is as clear as day
The problem with skeptics is that many of you knowingly or unconsciously look for contradictions. You crave them You need them. All that we are trying to get through to you is that the message is true and real. Granted we ignore many of your contradictions because in our minds the truth wins out eventually. In your mind, there is no absolute truth. No Creator (at least not the Christian one) and no supernatural Jesus.
Perhaps you and I should invite GDR to go fishing. We all need to promise each other that we won't try and convince each other of anything while out on that special lake or river. We will simply catch fish for the families, share a beer or two, and thank the universe that we are alive and able to think. We can always debate later.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
Not really, Percy. The right God chose us. And He is far from giving up on you. He actually likely respects your intelligence, rationality, and critical thinking.
Percy writes:
There are hundreds, probably even thousands depending upon your criteria, of religions.
No argument there. The human imagination is virtually limitless. Look at our old friend Stan Lee.
Percy writes:
It isn't possible that they're all wrong, right?
According to our old EvC sage jar, they are all likely wrong. To him, GOD was far far beyond human attempts at understanding.(If GOD existed, that is) And jar also taught a very basic construct.
If GOD exists, GOD exists regardless of any human logic, proof, or belief that GOD does not exist. If GOD does not exist, (He,She, It) does not exist regardless of any human religion, experience, or proof that GOD exists. (Paraphrased)
My take on it is that science and critical thinking will never settle the issue beyond a reasonable doubt. And so far as we know now, no objective evidence is possible.
Percy writes:
And some guy from British Columbia has as good a chance as anyone of figuring it all out, right?
RC Sprould taught that chance (as a creative force) does not exist. There is no chance, no probability regarding this basic issue. It is jars construct writ large.
Percy writes:
Look, all that matters is that you're happy with the choices you've made. Don't let it get all mixed up with convincing other people that they're correct. Why does that even matter to you?
We all try and convince each other that we have the latest insights regarding faith, God, and love (for the believers) and Data, Evidence and rationality (for the non-believers). Many of us are members of both camps. I think that Percy really sums it up (as Forum Director) with this song:
Edited by Phat, .
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
I don't have your capacity for swallowing lies about scripture without thinking at all.
My interpretations are not lies. First of all, anyone can interpret a book any way that they choose without lying. Second, my interpretations are shared by many believers. Whats more, I interpret the scripture without boirrowing off of another mans interpretation. Believers demonstrate that they have the Spirit by doing just this. I realize that you claimed to once be a believer and insist that you were even more zealous than I am, but you seem to have conveniently forgot how to use your intuition which is ideally in communion with the Holy Spirit. Nowadays you would scoff at my claims, demand objective evidence for my beliefs (or at least rationally critical thought) and essentially question your way into doubt and unbelief. Why you chose this path is beyond me, but perhaps it was your destiney.
ringo writes:
he (the metaphorical King) made the mistake of "choosing" the wrong people, as I said.
Following this rabbit trail, if God made a mistake by appointing Paul as the Apostle to the Gentiles and "made a mistake" by rejecting His own chosen people, it would end up being an empty argument. Everyone knows God does not make mistakes.
It's a really, really long stretch to associate the parable with Adam and Eve.
Perhaps, but it is possible. The Bible fits together nicely. The irony is endless. Jesus was around since the beginning and thus created Lucifer even before Lucifer fell from heaven and became satan. Thus, Jesus was in fact the first Adam rather than the second Adam. In human lineage terms, Jesus was the 2nd Adam, however. The first Adam blew it (which was foreknown to happen) by allowing the woman to influence his thinking rather than Gods prior commands. Humans continue this pattern of disobedience time and time again throughout History. We never listen at first. We make mistakes and we learn the hard way.
ringo writes:
But the wedding guests were NOT uncovered. They were just not dressed according to the whiny King's fashion sense.
So now the metaphorical King is a whiny King, eh? You likely think the same way about the Creator. You mention that you would prefer He leave you alone and not fry your friends. You actually think you know how to run your own life and actions better without His help, even though it is organized religion that initially got your gall, some way somehow.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
It figures you would quote Richard Carrier. Richard Carrier is a hack sent by satan to discredit the Jesus of the Bible. But of course, you will always believe the guy with academic credentials over any believer. I can't say that I blame you, given your respect for evidence and scholarly appraisal. The question that you might ask yourself honestly is this: "If for some reason the human race fails itself once again and we find ourselves in trouble collectively once again, are you willing to take another hard look at what believers claim to "see" or will you despise them all the more and double down on scholarly assessment to get us out of the mess we created? I won't ever be able to convince you. I can't.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
( I saw this reply after I made the previous post)
quote:The point I'm trying to make is that there is no real historicity for Jesus, let alone the miraculous stuff he's supposed to have done and how he saved the world an' all. Sure, there's acres of shelf space for Christian scholars and apologists but there's virtually no peer-reviewed history. There should be so much that it's beyond all doubt, but there's virtually none. Jesus, if real, would be the most important guy that ever lived. But there's no factual evidence of him actually even existing! It's bizarre. We shouldn't even be able to have this discussion, it should be obvious to everyone. But it's not, simply because he left no historical footprint, just enormous mythology. There's virtual universal acceptance that Paul existed (even though a lot of his stuff is forged) but not Jesus. Why? How? It would have been so easy for there to be real evidence but it doesn't exist. And yet it was supposed to be so important.
I respect your answer and am actually encouraged by your frustration. It shows me that you want an answer that respects your desire for consensus with us. I don't have a lot of the answers that you seek, but I do have a quote from Lee Strobel's book, A Case For Faith that resonated with me and may or may not be helpful for you. its late, however, and I need sleep. In addition, I have to work today at 230pm and have an eye doctor's appointment at 900am. I'll get back to this..(I have the paragraph in mind that I want to share with you)
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
Seriously? Earl Dogherty? You pick another one of satans minions who seek to trash Christianity and in fact spend their lives writing books (earning a living, as Leee Strobel does) working for the antichrist rather than Jesus Christ.
quote:Lee Strobel presented his interviews of scholars in The Case for Christ as though he were a legal affairs journalist (which he was) who is researching the evidence in the case for Christ. He interviewed leading scholars who gave evidence for the traditional orthodox Christian view of Jesus as the Christ, the miracle-working resurrected Son of God, and he concluded that the evidence supports its truthfulness.
Earl Doherty, author of Challenging the Verdict, chose a similar legal motif, but this time in a courtroom. Where Strobel used this motif sparingly and effectively, Doherty uses it mockingly and unfairly. Doherty claims that he provides his opposing side the opportunity to “cross-examine” the scholars interviewed by Strobel. He neglects, however, to give the cross-examined witnesses an opportunity to respond to his critical statements. What emerges is not a coherent collection of evidence and argumentation but a strange monologue by Doherty while his witnesses remain silent.(...)Neither Challenging the Verdict nor Doherty’s Web site tells us the author’s background. He was, in fact, once the president of the Ottawa, a Canadian skeptic group, and is an occasional contributor to a small periodical, The Journal of Higher Criticism, edited by Robert Price and dedicated to denouncing the Bible. Doherty’s first book, The Jesus Puzzle, argues there is no credible evidence to believe Jesus existed as a historical person, a position that so contradicts the evidence that even most liberals he quotes, including the ultraliberal members of the Jesus Seminar, disagree with him. Virtually the only current view similar to his is in G. A. Wells’s volumes discrediting Jesus’ existence, which have been soundly refuted by, among others, Dr. Gary Habermas in his critical review in the Journal.
One of the problems in responding to Doherty is that, like many skeptics, he uses a shotgun approach that at first glance seems overwhelming because there is “buckshot” everywhere. Only as one patiently removes one small pellet at a time is it evident that the attack has not been fatal. The “case for Christ,” in fact, emerges from the smoke of Doherty’s attack virtually unscathed except for cosmetic complaints that could be said of any book dealing with complex issues in a popular manner.
It really all depends on what you want to do with your time. Do you want to reasonably support Jesus Christ or do you want to find ways to trash Him? And if the latter, I would think that one need to ask themselves why.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox
“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
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