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Topic: Choosing a faith
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1187 of 3694 (900686)
10-30-2022 2:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 1180 by Phat
10-30-2022 2:13 PM
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Re: Michael
Phat writes: ... why don't you believe the Gospel of John when it is clearly stated that Jesus *was* in the beginning?
It says no such thing. We've been through that before. It says the Word was around since the beginning and the Word is - duh! - the Word. I asked you to find ANY other reference to the Word being Jesus. I even did the homework for you. "The Word" always refers to words.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1193 of 3694 (900695)
10-30-2022 3:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 1191 by Phat
10-30-2022 2:52 PM
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Re: Word Up
Phat writes: ... how could words be around since the beginning if all early humans could do was grunt?
It says "the Word" - i.e. the Message. Social species were around long before humans.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1195 of 3694 (900697)
10-30-2022 3:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 1194 by Phat
10-30-2022 3:02 PM
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Re: Word Up
Phat writes: So we are back to our old argument regarding the messenger vs the message. Got it.
If you've got it, why do you keep bringing up the same old nonsense?
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1200 of 3694 (900702)
10-30-2022 3:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 1198 by Phat
10-30-2022 3:26 PM
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Re: Word Up
Phat writes: Because your arguments are opinions and don't hold water...
On the contrary, you've never posted an argument against it. Do that.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1204 of 3694 (900708)
10-30-2022 3:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 1203 by Phat
10-30-2022 3:32 PM
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Re: Word Up
Phat writes: Unless you can find the message in the tree rings, I would assert that the messenger created the trees indirectly.
1. An assertion is not an argument. 2. I was simply pointing out that your no-speaking-humans point doesn't hold any water. 3. John speaks about words. The challenge remains: Find ANYWHERE else in the Bible that even REMOTELY suggests that "the word' was Jesus. Here, I did your homework for you again:
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"The word which Jesus had said" Joh 2:22 "many more believed because of his own word" Joh 4:41 "the word that Jesus had spoken" Joh 4:50 "He that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me" Joh 5:24 "ye have not his word abiding in you" Joh 5:38 "If ye continue in my word" Joh 8:31 "my word hath no place in you." Joh 8:37 "ye cannot hear my word." Joh 8:43 "unto whom the word of God came" Joh 10:35 "the word that I have spoken" Joh 12:48 "the word which ye hear is not mine" Joh 14:24 "the word which I have spoken unto you" Joh 15:3 "the word that I said unto you" Joh 15:20 "that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law" Joh15:25 "they have kept thy word" Joh 17:6 (Jesus praying) "I have given them thy word" Joh 17:14 "thy word is truth" Joh 17:17 "which shall believe on me through their word" Joh 17:20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "word of Jesus" Mat 26:75 "Jesus heard the word" Mar 5:36 "the word that Jesus said" Mar 14:72 "Jesus answered him saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God." Mar 4:4 "sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word" Luke 10:39 "Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word" Luke 24:19 "the word which Jesus had said" Joh 2:22 "the word that Jesus had spoken" Joh 4:50 "said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word" Joh 8:31 "word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus" Act 10:36 "the word of the Lord Jesus" Act 19:10 "whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus" Col 3:17 "the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ" Rev 1:2 "for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev 1:9 "for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God" Rev 20:4
Word means word.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1209 of 3694 (900737)
10-31-2022 11:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 1207 by Phat
10-31-2022 11:35 AM
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Re: Word Up
Phat writes: Your word search was thorough except that it only covered the New Testament.
I only covered the New testament because I was searching for the Greek word logos. There may, in fact, be instances where logos was translated as something other than "word".
Phat writes: Lets examine the instances of the word in its original Hebrew and peruse the Old Testament.
I don't see why a Hebrew word translated as "word" should effect the translation of a Greek word.
Note the underlined.
Yes, the underlined, and everything else you quoted, refers to actual words.
Phat writes: Those pesky liberal scholars were attempting to chip away at Biblical inerrancy even back then.
Good for them. the Bible is NOT inerrant. And you really need to stop maligning liberals.
Phat writes: ... and that Jesus, as God's character, could thus be correctly known and accepted as the Word become Flesh.
Substitute "message" for "word". Jesus was the message become flesh; He was the personification of the message. He was NOT, the message. So John 1:1 does NOT say that Jesus was around since the beginning.
Phat writes: Ergo, Jesus was in the beginning (before humans had evolved) and was made man (Nicene Creed) at a certain point in eternity birthed in time.
Your "ergo" doesn't work. Jesus was an example of the message; He was NOT the message itself. Ergo, John 1:1 does NOT say that He was around since the beginning.
Phat writes: If Jesus was simply another human birthed by natural means, why do the stories suggest all of the attention?
It's made up. It didn't happen. Why do commercials claim that their product is the greatest thing ever? Notice that their competitors claim that THEIR product is the greatest thing ever.
Phat writes: Except that it is the villain in the stories, Satan, who is really controlling and manipulating the masses.
But Satan is NOT the villain of the stories (see Job.) That's just another lie that you've been sold.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1211 of 3694 (900748)
10-31-2022 12:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 1210 by Phat
10-31-2022 12:12 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Phat writes: Matthew 22:1-14
Not one of the better parables. The "king" made bad choices in whom he invited. Then he behaved childishly toward the man who wasn't wearing wedding clothes. (Considering that the guests were rounded up from the street corners, it's surprising that ANY of them were in wedding clothes.) That "king" needed a good spanking. And the punchline, "For many are invited, but few are chosen," has little or nothing to do with the story.
Phat writes: ringo writes: the Bible is NOT inerrant.
The messenger is inerrent and His message is inerrant (pure and unadulterated)
Nope. You're making that up.
Phat writes: Church tradition says He was around since the beginning.
With church tradition and two dollars, you can buy a cup of coffee.
Phat writes: One could argue that only GOD and the Holy Spirit were around since the beginning, but even then Jesus was likely the only human who embodied it (the Spirit) perfectly.
Which has nothing to do with Him being around from the beginning.
Phat writes: ringo writes: And you really need to stop maligning liberals.
I poke at them because it annoys them
No it doesn't. It just demonstrates that you are neither rational nor Christian.
Phat writes: They really need to see the other side of the arguments and quit thinking their way is the best way possible.
Look in the mirror. You're the one who refuses to ever change his mind.
Phat writes: As for your assertion that it's all fiction?
I have never made any such assertion.
Phat writes: If you have any better contenders than Jesus, bring them up for examination.
Contenders for what?
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1235 of 3694 (900854)
11-01-2022 11:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 1217 by Phat
10-31-2022 2:42 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Phat writes: You are so literal it hurts.
And remember that being liberal is a GOOD thing.
Phat writes: You have absolutely no intrinsic insight into scripture, do you?
I don't have your capacity for swallowing lies about scripture without thinking at all.
Phat writes: The King invited common people (Gentiles) because the chosen people (Jews) ignored the wedding request.
Yes, he made the mistake of "choosing" the wrong people, as I said.
Phat writes: The clothes symbolize a covering, much as God needed to sew clothes (a covering) for Adam * Eve after they ate the fruit of knowledge and metaphorically "woke up...
It's a really, really long stretch to associate the parable with Adam and Eve.
Phat writes: ... "woke up" to the false fact that they could have the knowledge of their Creator.
Not a "false fact" at all. God Himself said it.
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Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
Phat writes: (which humans will never come close to having)
You're contradicting God - not an auspicious start to your attempt to enlighten me.
Phat writes: This was why they became aware of their nakedness (lack of covering) ...
But the wedding guests were NOT uncovered. They were just not dressed according to the whiny King's fashion sense.
Phat writes: As for the naked guy at the wedding...
There was none. He was wearing what people wear on street corners. If the King was going to round up guests from street corners, he should have had an ounce of sense to realize that they would be dressed like people on street corners.
Phat writes: ... perhaps he symbolized a commoner with an ego (such as you?) who thought he could come to a wedding little knowing that he was metaphorically the Bride (Bride of Christ)...
Now you're just piling silly on top of silly. He was INVITED to the wedding. Who goes to a wedding thinking he's the bride?
Phat writes: the King cast him out as a symbol and warning to secular humanists who feel no need to commune with nor be covered by a higher power than their chemistry books.
 I can't do anything but roll my eyes at that. Of all the stupid excuses to malign humanists....
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1236 of 3694 (900857)
11-01-2022 12:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 1220 by Phat
10-31-2022 3:13 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Phat writes: The messenger is inerrant and His message is inerrant (pure and unadulterated)
ringo writes: Nope. You're making that up.
So? Are you suggesting that the Bible was not made up?
Are you admitting that your nonsense about the messenger being inerrant is made up?
Phat writes: Why do you always fail to provide a rational argument that proves that I made it up, rather than deny deny deny?
You have it backwards. The only way I could "prove" that you made it up is by quoting the entire Bible and going verse by verse to show that it isn't in there. The way it is done is YOU provide a rational argument for your claim.
Phat writes: ringo writes: With church tradition and two dollars, you can buy a cup of coffee.
With a chemistry book, you can make a cup of coffee without beans. So what's your point?
My point should be quite obvious. Church tradition is worthless. (And are you adding chemistry now to your list of hatreds?)
Phat writes: Most of your Christian friends wouyld likely agree that He was around from the beginning.
Maybe so. Most of them are also conservative. It's possible to be wrong about more than one thing.
Phat writes: Only a contrarian with a love of chemistry books would challenge such a belief.
1. I am not a "contrarian" just because I point out where you are wrong. 2. I love a lot of books. Why shouldn't I? 3. Anybody who reads the Bible honestly would challenge such a belief.
Phat writes: ringo writes: It just demonstrates that you are neither rational nor Christian.
The jury is still out on that one.
It's two. And you do not get to poll the jury.
Phat writes: Must I turn the other cheek?
Must you ask?
Phat writes: ringo writes: Contenders for what?
​Will The Real God Please Stand Up? Message 7
It's getting pretty bad when you have to drag us back to 2007 to avoid using your own words. I'll ask again, contenders for what?
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1237 of 3694 (900859)
11-01-2022 12:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 1226 by GDR
10-31-2022 9:02 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
GDR writes: How many people predicted WWII prior to it happening.
Who didn't? And all of them predicted it would happen in their lifetime. Nobody predicts wars in the distant future.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1238 of 3694 (900863)
11-01-2022 12:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 1230 by Dredge
11-01-2022 3:39 AM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Dredge writes: There was no such prophesy ...
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Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Looks pretty much like a prophecy to me. Jesus even links it to the prophecy of Daniel.
Dredge writes: .... you've misunderstood the Scripture.
Show us the misunderstanding.
Dredge writes: ... which suggests it could be a long time before the Messiah returns.
"This generation shall not pass" suggests that it will be a SHORT time.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1239 of 3694 (900867)
11-01-2022 12:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 1233 by Phat
11-01-2022 11:08 AM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Phat writes: Matthew had no idea how long it would take...
Sure he did. He QUOTED Jesus as saying, "this generation shall not pass." (Which is a bit ironic, since it already had.)
Phat writes: Be it willing or unwilling, EVERY knee will bow.
Another failed prophecy.
Phat writes: The problem with skeptics is that many of you knowingly or unconsciously look for contradictions.
That's what everybody should do - HONESTLY look at what the Bible actually SAYS. You, on the other hand, work very hard at turning a blind eye to the contradictions. How many beams can you stuff into your eyes?
Phat writes: You crave them You need them.
Not at all. YOU need to wishfully think that honest people have an ulterior motive.
Phat writes: All that we are trying to get through to you is that the message is true and real.
That's what Goebbels said.
Phat writes: Granted we ignore many of your contradictions because in our minds the truth wins out eventually.
That's the problem. The truth WILL win out, and your lies will be exposed.
Phat writes: In your mind, there is no absolute truth.
I have tried many times to get you to discuss "absolute truth" but you're afraid to do it. Is that because deep down you KNOW it's a ridiculous concept?
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1252 of 3694 (900943)
11-02-2022 4:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 1244 by Phat
11-02-2022 3:22 AM
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Re: Weddings and Brides
Phat writes: I said literal not liberal.
Not in the message you're replying to.
Phat writes: My interpretations are not lies.
They are, as I've pointed out many times.
Phat writes: First of all, anyone can interpret a book any way that they choose without lying.
No. They can't. There are legitimate interpretations and egregious lies.
Phat writes: Second, my interpretations are shared by many believers.
Appeal to popularity is not a legitimate argument.
Phat writes: Whats more, I interpret the scripture without boirrowing off of another mans interpretation.
How can you tell such a bold-faced lie? You get your interpretations from apologists on YouTube. And you refuse to discuss them.
Phat writes: Believers demonstrate that they have the Spirit by doing just this.
Phat writes: I realize that you claimed to once be a believer and insist that you were even more zealous than I am...
I didn't say I was more zealous than you. I said I understand your theology better than you do.
Phat writes: ... but you seem to have conveniently forgot how to use your intuition...
Wrong. I work at ignoring my intuition because intuition can not be trusted.
Phat writes: ... which is ideally in communion with the Holy Spirit.
You are the poster child for bad intuition. You are the prime example of NOT being in communion. If you were in communion, how could you say such horrible things about Jesus?
Phat writes: Nowadays you would scoff at my claims, demand objective evidence for my beliefs (or at least rationally critical thought) and essentially question your way into doubt and unbelief.
Thanks for the compliment.
Phat writes: Why you chose this path is beyond me...
It doesn't have to be. You could take your brain out of its parking-place behind the door and USE it.
Phat writes: ... if God made a mistake by appointing Paul as the Apostle to the Gentiles...
Paul appointed himself as apostle to the Gentiles.
Phat writes: Everyone knows God does not make mistakes.
Nonsense.
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Genesis6:6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
And that's only the first example.
Phat writes: ringo writes: It's a really, really long stretch to associate the parable with Adam and Eve.
Perhaps, but it is possible.
It's possible to connect Santa Claus to Bigfoot too. That doesn't make it right.
Phat writes: The Bible fits together nicely.
No, it really doesn't.
Phat writes: The irony is endless.
All contradictions are not necessarily irony.
Phat writes: Jesus was around since the beginning and thus created Lucifer even before Lucifer fell from heaven and became satan.
Rubbish. That fairy tale isn't even from the Bible. It's Milton.
Phat writes: So now the metaphorical King is a whiny King, eh?
He invited people from the street-corners and then he complained about how they were dressed. Yes, that is whiny.
Phat writes: You likely think the same way about the Creator.
You're the one who is equating the king to the creator, not me.
Phat writes: You mention that you would prefer He leave you alone and not fry your friends. You actually think you know how to run your own life and actions better without His help...
Again, I refer you to Thomas Paine, who said that we are better able to run our own lives than some goober on a throne thousands of miles away. Why don't you respond to what I say instead of just throwing the same crap at the wall over and over again?
Phat writes: ... even though it is organized religion that initially got your gall, some way somehow.
Where did you get that idea?
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1253 of 3694 (900944)
11-02-2022 4:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 1243 by Dredge
11-02-2022 3:17 AM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Dredge writes: Read the link I provided in Message 1147.
Bring your argument here, in your own words.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1271 of 3694 (900983)
11-03-2022 11:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 1270 by Dredge
11-03-2022 10:46 AM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Dresge writes: The article I provided is written in plain English ....even you should be able to understand it.
That isn't the point. You need to demonstrate that YOU understand it - by giving the argument in your own words.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie
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