HaShem - Yahweh or Jehovah?

Changing what was given from God for the text would not, imo, show respect to God. The result has been that many are ignorant of God's proper name. To so many he's just this generic supreme being up in the sky. That's a shame, like the unknown god of ancient Greece. I am not aware that names don't translate well. What language would it be impossible to translate Yahweh into?

since i'm no longer convinced of the accuracy of anybody's crazy ideas about the name i think i'm going to pronounce it the way the letters sound... give me a second.
*obtains hebrew notes*
nin' (okay it's an approximation [and a funny one]. i tried to paste it in and it didn't do it right.)
ok so first
yod
he
vav
he
those are the letters. so what do their included vowel sounds say?
yo-hey-va-hey (short 'a' and don't pronounce the y on the 'hey' plz kthxbye)
yo. that doesn't sound like je to me. so um. until further notice, i think you're all nuts. if you're christian, he says to call him daddy. if you're jewish, you're not to say it at all. if you're atheist, you think he's fake.more proof reznor is god i guess.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 12-02-2004 11:45 PM

well let's see. his name is his purpose which is simply to be as he so pleases (what a great job). the 'name' roughly translates to he who exists (er something.) so let's see. they (the ptbs) call him I AM. should i spell that with a b or no? iam doesn't sound like a very good name for a god. it just doesn't strike any kind of fear in me... maybe heis? or how about youare, since we're supposed to call to him in person not simply to refer to him. but then i'd guess that a person named bob exists. could we get away calling him bob? no. why? bob means something else. but the name bob doesn't mean anything in english. it certainly doesn't mean 'he who floats bouncily'. bob is a name that was taken from another language. notice how we oddly translate the names of american indians? 'running bear' has a specific sound in whichever language (pick one. there's a bunch.). so rightly instead of translating this name, we should have made a rough homonym for it like we do other names. jesus isn't a translation. it's a sound approximation (and a bad one). the word 'jesus' means nothing in english. it's a reference to an idea but it has no real meaning. it certainly wouldn't translate to another language as 'bleeding, hanging one'.this is what i mean when i say names don't translate well.

trent reznor's band:
ninthe name of god:
יְהוָהi think that about sums that up.

yes, well *I* don't believe him, no matter if luke says other people did or not.

yes well i'm just saying that's what it claims.

ooh. compare the letters from sin.

Methinks your Hebrew phonetics is flawed. The nearest phonetic vowel sounds of YHWH comes out to be YAHWEH. You would not pronounciate the last two y's and the v. I believe they would be silent, would they not? It's not suppose to sound like JE until you get it into modern English. Have you been reading the thread? Again, have you been reading, or must it all be repeated just for you? There's valid sensible reasons for this stuff. That you're too lazy to think doesn't make someone else nuts.

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Originally posted by buzsaw:
Again, have you been reading, or must it all be repeated just for you? There's valid sensible reasons for this stuff. That you're too lazy to think doesn't make someone else nuts.

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now you've gone and got your panties in a twist. it was a joke (or at least mostly). i don't know where they got the vowels they use in yahweh but it doesn't matter.
i'm not too lazy to think i simply thought i'd point out the ridiculousness of these crazy name traditions we have developoed and cling to. have you ever checked out zoroastrianism? it's exactly the same religion but with a different timeline. it quite possibly developed after the persian captivity and the whole 3 guys and a firey furnace tale. i have even heard someone suggest that the name of the head god is the persian name for the hebrew god. they use different names (i guess they really translated them instead of making some funny cognate that doesn't mean anything). there are tons of solar hero myths that sound almost exactly like the jesus story. what is in a name? if you feel so close to your god why must you argue with people about what you call him and how they must be wrong. and now you're calling me stupid because you can't get a joke. well i guess we know now who's stupid.my point is that yeah it's interesting to know the history of how the names arose and yes it's interesting to figure out the meaning and blah blah blah. but you don't base your belief system on a name. my world would not change if my name was suddenly rhiannon. maybe the horrible teasing from school would be different... but my mind would be no different, my dreams, my desires, nothing. they say that a name holds purpose in your life. well my name is merely a reference to a myth involving lovers and turning into a tree. i'm not going to fall in love and then turn into a tree. (unless you mean by that 'get left'). if his name means 'to be', or some odd conjugation thereof, then he's pretty much free to do what he wants. but who are you to claim to control him with a name?btw. people on this board really need to lighten up. happy solstice everyone.

actually, it does.one set of vowels means present tense, one means future, and one means past. so basically, one set could mean that (to further the nin references) god is dead.the vowels from hawah (HWH) meaning "to be." y' means "he who" as in y'israel, he who fights with god. so this would be "he who is" or y'haweh -- yahweh.

i thought you were on the other side?

I saw no winkey eye or anything in the post to indicate joke or jest. If you're joking so indicate so we can laugh, reply accordingly or simply shrug the shoulder and move on. Where did I say you are stupid? Please document. Say what? How do you construe my comments as claiming to control God by stating facts about his name?? Tell a joke or something humorous and maybe you will get a happy rise. Discussion of the name of the almighty is not a light funny subject. If you want that, there's the coffeeshop.

My comments pertained to the Hebrew phonetics of the name, not the contemporary English. I believe I made that clear if you read me correctly.

It's not the name of a god. It's the meaning of the name of the Biblical god, Jehovah, the "I am" or the "existing one."

the second one is closed."he who is" sounds better to me. yahweh, y' (he who) plus haweh (is).