HaShem - Yahweh or Jehovah?

In Exodus 6:2-3, the translators who translated YHWH to Lord rather than Jehovah, misstranslated it on purpose. Adonai/Lord is a different Hebrew word. Yaweh/YHWH does not translate to adonai. Yaweh is a proper name, whereas adonai is descriptive of Jehovah's function. Jehovah is, i.e master/lord. Elohim is simply a description of what Jehovah is. He is a god. So one might correctly say, The adonai elohim, Jehovah, i.e. the lord god, Jehovah. Only one of these is the proper name/surname of the lord god, Jehovah.The old 1901 American Standard translation is one of the few which kept the two words translated literally. So in my Bible, It is correctly rendered, "Jehovah" in both verses 2 and 3. That's one reason I use the old American Standard. It is translated exact and lets the reader do the interpretation. Imo, translators should not interpret. Interpreting taints the opinionated product.Just because the late century BC Jews had the superstition about speaking and writing god's name most translators think they need to do so also, but imo, if God inpired the writers to write it in the first place it should be kept as written.This is why there's so much confusion about Allah and the Bible. It's not in there. The closest name to it is one of the chiefs of Edom mentioned in the first or second chapter of I Chronicles. My American Standard Bible renders this chief as, "Allah," but the KJ and some others put it close but not quite the same. I forgot, without looking it up.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 11-22-2004 09:35 PM

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Jehovah is the most correct modern translated meaning of the proper name. That's why when it is used it is translated that way. To try to say we should read the name in the Hebrew without translating it to English makes no sense. Why? Because by the same token if you insist on reading it in the Hebrew, to be consistent then you should insist that there should be no English translation of any of the Bible, but that every word of it should be read in the Hebrew language.

Drop the J's and the v's which were both additions to the English language and here's how these two names look.1. JACOB = YACOB = YA'ACOB = YCB
2. JEHOVAH = YAHOAH = YAHWEH = YHWHHow is #1 fundamentally more different than #2? The only fundamental difference I see is that one has only two cylables and no v's, these two consonents being later additions to the English language. Early English texts would have no J's or V's in either of these names, but good translators translate into the language of the people. Thus, "Jehovah" and "Jacob." Nearly all translators, educated and authoritative professionals in linguistics, would support my argument since that's how they translated the various versions.

Where is your documentation that the divine/proper name of God, "Jehovah/Yehoah" was removed in the early NT translations?

I know of no Hebrew scholars who would literally translate the literal word YHWH as Adonai, nor does the Hebrew to English interlinear do so. You loose all the original consonents to form a completely different word with a different meaning.The sole reason most translations render the name as "adonai" is that since the late BC centuries there was the unfounded superstition that the name of God was too holy to be written or translated, so they dropped the proper name of God from the translation and used an entirely different word, adonai, which is not a proper name but a discriptive word depicting the function of YHWH/Yahweh meaning simply lord/master. HHWH/Yahweh, on the otherhand means "the I am, or the existing one." But kurios is a completely different word. You are reading consonants in it. You are including the consonants of the Hebrew word, adonai. You are not tranlating YHWH. You are changing the Hebrew text to a completely different word. The Old 1901 American Standard version does not fall for this, but translates the 600 or so times the name exists in the manuscripts properly to say Jehovah in contemporary English.

It was the 300 to 200 bc revisionists who were more likely to have gotten into the white out and replaced all of the Yaweh references with kurios/adonai. These were the superstitious ones who took it upon themselves to remove those 600 or so references to YHWH/Yahweh which were in the older Hebrew manuscripts and add kurios in place of, in the Septuagint.

When you posted the following statement, you missunderstood me, in that my post was in reference to translators who did translate YHWH rather than change the wording. There are a few places in the KJV and other prominent translations where "Jehovah" is literally translated, such as Exodus 6:3, Psalms 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, and Isaiah 26:4. ........And here (below) you totally confused me. It appeared here that you were refuting my usage of "Yahweh," and thatI did so by using incorrect vowels and adding a sylable. Then here below, I took it that you are arguing for "adonai" as the correct translation. Right. Thanks. I stand corrected.

You're very right, Archy. And why is this so?1. The still superstitious orthocox Jews still consider it a bad omen to speak God's proper name.2. Most Christians haven't a clue. Because the translators got by with altering God's words, they have had his proper name programmed out of their vocabulary.This erroneous stuff is coming home to roost nowadays with the revival of the occult, paganism, Hinduism and Buddhism, Islam and red man's Great Spirit, etc . Now when ones mentions, "god" or "lord," it can mean one of several prominant gods. It was evidently meant to be translated until the superstitious Septuagint revisionists took it upon themselves to change it. That the majority ignorantly or superstitiously follow the incorrect translation, does not mean Jehovah, the Biblical god approves of the gross ignorance of his name because of the changes most translators took it upon themselves to make.THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE FORBIDDING MEN TO SPEAK OR WRITE GOD'S NAME. If he didn't want it spoken or written, he wouldn't have had the inspired writers to use it some 6000 times. So you're not supporting my position at all. It's only older than Jesus because of groundless superstition of the Jews during a time of spiritual decline in their history, and because of that, translators of the OT have played their game for a long time to the chagrin of the almighty god, Jehovah, the supreme creator of the universe. He has declared in his word that NOTHING WAS EVER TO BE ADDED OR REMOVED FROM HIS WORDS.

LOL. The name was never intended to be in the NT. Why? Because Jesus, for the first time in history taught that God should be addressed as "Father." Why? Because being "born from above/born again" makes one a child of God. In both the Lord's Prayer and the gospel of John, Jesus taught to pray "to the Father," praying in his name. In the Lord's Prayer he said, "When you pray, say, 'Our Father.....' One does not call one's father by his name, even in our human lives.

Changing what was given from God for the text would not, imo, show respect to God. The result has been that many are ignorant of God's proper name. To so many he's just this generic supreme being up in the sky. That's a shame, like the unknown god of ancient Greece. I am not aware that names don't translate well. What language would it be impossible to translate Yahweh into?

Methinks your Hebrew phonetics is flawed. The nearest phonetic vowel sounds of YHWH comes out to be YAHWEH. You would not pronounciate the last two y's and the v. I believe they would be silent, would they not? It's not suppose to sound like JE until you get it into modern English. Have you been reading the thread? Again, have you been reading, or must it all be repeated just for you? There's valid sensible reasons for this stuff. That you're too lazy to think doesn't make someone else nuts.

I saw no winkey eye or anything in the post to indicate joke or jest. If you're joking so indicate so we can laugh, reply accordingly or simply shrug the shoulder and move on. Where did I say you are stupid? Please document. Say what? How do you construe my comments as claiming to control God by stating facts about his name?? Tell a joke or something humorous and maybe you will get a happy rise. Discussion of the name of the almighty is not a light funny subject. If you want that, there's the coffeeshop.

My comments pertained to the Hebrew phonetics of the name, not the contemporary English. I believe I made that clear if you read me correctly.

It's not the name of a god. It's the meaning of the name of the Biblical god, Jehovah, the "I am" or the "existing one."

Nonsense? Are you aware as to whether OT and NT Jews addressed their fathers at home by their sirnames/proper names? I doubt that they did.

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