HaShem - Yahweh or Jehovah?

well it does say that abraham was from ur...

the point isn't that they literally translated it as adonai, the point is that they were to read adonai aloud (since the scriptures were made for reciting not for sitting in a dusty book) instead of saying the name. later this tradition i guess spread. now one is not supposed to write the name on any discardable surface as it can never be erased. perhaps translators wished to give respect to the name by writing LORD in it's place since you know... names don't translate very well--especially the name of the lord--just because they have the same sound doesn't mean they mean the same thing. and traditionally, the names of spirits (and even people) defines their function and is inherently important to said name itself. the idea of that entity is summed up in its appellation.

it's not that they are superstitious. it's that the jews historically build walls around commandments so not to break them. the lord said not to take his name in vain. so instead of risking using it wrongly, they only say it in ritual or in instruction.

acts specifically describes how the early church tried paul in order to prove his authenticity as an apostle. he was not accepted on sight.

verily we are to cry abba. which is a juvenile word similar to our 'daddy'. i think the bible says 'father' because the english are stodgy. *snickers*

since i'm no longer convinced of the accuracy of anybody's crazy ideas about the name i think i'm going to pronounce it the way the letters sound... give me a second.
*obtains hebrew notes*
nin' (okay it's an approximation [and a funny one]. i tried to paste it in and it didn't do it right.)
ok so first
yod
he
vav
he
those are the letters. so what do their included vowel sounds say?
yo-hey-va-hey (short 'a' and don't pronounce the y on the 'hey' plz kthxbye)
yo. that doesn't sound like je to me. so um. until further notice, i think you're all nuts. if you're christian, he says to call him daddy. if you're jewish, you're not to say it at all. if you're atheist, you think he's fake.more proof reznor is god i guess.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 12-02-2004 11:45 PM

well let's see. his name is his purpose which is simply to be as he so pleases (what a great job). the 'name' roughly translates to he who exists (er something.) so let's see. they (the ptbs) call him I AM. should i spell that with a b or no? iam doesn't sound like a very good name for a god. it just doesn't strike any kind of fear in me... maybe heis? or how about youare, since we're supposed to call to him in person not simply to refer to him. but then i'd guess that a person named bob exists. could we get away calling him bob? no. why? bob means something else. but the name bob doesn't mean anything in english. it certainly doesn't mean 'he who floats bouncily'. bob is a name that was taken from another language. notice how we oddly translate the names of american indians? 'running bear' has a specific sound in whichever language (pick one. there's a bunch.). so rightly instead of translating this name, we should have made a rough homonym for it like we do other names. jesus isn't a translation. it's a sound approximation (and a bad one). the word 'jesus' means nothing in english. it's a reference to an idea but it has no real meaning. it certainly wouldn't translate to another language as 'bleeding, hanging one'.this is what i mean when i say names don't translate well.

yes well i'm just saying that's what it claims.

ooh. compare the letters from sin.

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Originally posted by buzsaw:
Again, have you been reading, or must it all be repeated just for you? There's valid sensible reasons for this stuff. That you're too lazy to think doesn't make someone else nuts.

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now you've gone and got your panties in a twist. it was a joke (or at least mostly). i don't know where they got the vowels they use in yahweh but it doesn't matter.
i'm not too lazy to think i simply thought i'd point out the ridiculousness of these crazy name traditions we have developoed and cling to. have you ever checked out zoroastrianism? it's exactly the same religion but with a different timeline. it quite possibly developed after the persian captivity and the whole 3 guys and a firey furnace tale. i have even heard someone suggest that the name of the head god is the persian name for the hebrew god. they use different names (i guess they really translated them instead of making some funny cognate that doesn't mean anything). there are tons of solar hero myths that sound almost exactly like the jesus story. what is in a name? if you feel so close to your god why must you argue with people about what you call him and how they must be wrong. and now you're calling me stupid because you can't get a joke. well i guess we know now who's stupid.my point is that yeah it's interesting to know the history of how the names arose and yes it's interesting to figure out the meaning and blah blah blah. but you don't base your belief system on a name. my world would not change if my name was suddenly rhiannon. maybe the horrible teasing from school would be different... but my mind would be no different, my dreams, my desires, nothing. they say that a name holds purpose in your life. well my name is merely a reference to a myth involving lovers and turning into a tree. i'm not going to fall in love and then turn into a tree. (unless you mean by that 'get left'). if his name means 'to be', or some odd conjugation thereof, then he's pretty much free to do what he wants. but who are you to claim to control him with a name?btw. people on this board really need to lighten up. happy solstice everyone.

i didn't mean that it doesn't matter at all. i meant that it doesn't matter to my point.