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Topic: Women and the Fundamentalist View of Marriage
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 91 of 314 (127102)
07-23-2004 6:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 89 by nator
07-23-2004 6:15 PM
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She wanted you.
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Buzsaw
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Message 92 of 314 (127115)
07-23-2004 7:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 77 by jar
07-22-2004 12:02 PM
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Re: Paul again.
If you would take the time to read the Muslim version you'd find that the woman did not get decieved first. The Bible being first by milleniums, trumps the Quran.
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Buzsaw
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Message 93 of 314 (127116)
07-23-2004 7:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 78 by crashfrog
07-22-2004 5:50 PM
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Clearly, by Buz's reasoning, the Atkins diet is contrary to God's will! The word "bread" was often used in certain contexts as "food."
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 94 of 314 (127118)
07-23-2004 7:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 92 by Buzsaw
07-23-2004 7:18 PM
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Re: Paul again.
LOL
The Bible being first by milleniums, trumps the Quran. So you obviously believe that the Epic of Gilgamesh trumps the Bible. Buz, the account in the Koran is just yet another version of Genesis.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw
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Message 95 of 314 (127120)
07-23-2004 7:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 80 by Jasonb
07-22-2004 7:49 PM
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Re: Women and the Fundamentalist View of Marriage
I believe the bible teaches us that it is a voluntary submission of the wife to the authority of the husband. I don’t know of any verse that says a husband should bring his wife into submission if she does not voluntarily submit. We automatically think that submission of the wife to the husband somehow makes the wife less than her husband. I disagree. I think rather it is a matter of position than worthiness. When I was in the Army I had friends who out ranked me, and at work I was under their authority, but I would not say there were superior to me. Remember Jesus submitted to the authority of his Father, but he was not less important than him. Great post, Jason. I don't know of any Biblical admonition for husbands to force the wife in anything. They could divorce under certain conditions though and that would take care of problematic situations. It's been a way of life in human cultures since recorded history. Whether one subscribes to evo or creo it's how our minds and bodies are made up. Modern day (latter day) loosers want to adjust the natural to suit their distorted ideologies and all kinds of new sociological problems ensue as a result.
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Buzsaw
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Message 96 of 314 (127121)
07-23-2004 7:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 94 by jar
07-23-2004 7:22 PM
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Re: Paul again.
Buz, the account in the Koran is just yet another version of Genesis. Duh. The older trumps the newer, duh.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 97 of 314 (127122)
07-23-2004 7:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 96 by Buzsaw
07-23-2004 7:34 PM
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Re: Paul again.
Duh. The older trumps the newer, duh. So, as I asked, from that you'd agree that the Epic of Gilgamesh trumps the Genesis?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw
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Re: Paul again.
The woman was tempted and yielded to the temptation, the man sinned deliberately, making it iniquity. Nonsense. They both sinned. Thus the curse on both. Who knows, maybe the woman chopped up this nice fruity dish and he carelessly did'nt ask where she got the fruit. Nobody knows the particulars, but likely he knew. Incidently, according to the acount, Eve was made and designed by God as a help mate for Adam who was made first. This is one of the reasons given by the apostle Paul in the NT for the woman not teaching and exercising authority over the man.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 99 of 314 (127125)
07-23-2004 7:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 98 by Buzsaw
07-23-2004 7:44 PM
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Re: Paul again.
Incidently, according to the acount, Eve was made and designed by God as a help mate for Adam who was made first. Unless you read Genesis one where they are made at the same time and there is no mention of her being made as a helpmate.
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw
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Message 100 of 314 (127129)
07-23-2004 8:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 97 by jar
07-23-2004 7:36 PM
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Re: Paul again.
Well, if you like the notion that the flood caused the earth to become a flat ocean and all of it's inhabitants turned to stone better than the Biblical account, go with the Epic of G. Nobody has proven btw, that the Epic of G is actually older than the Bible author of Genesis. That it was found in the 6th century BC proves nothing conclusive as to which originated before the other. That so many pagan cultures of both hemispheres had the flood story in their culture is indicative that the Biblical account is correct in declaration of a past flood.
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Buzsaw
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Message 101 of 314 (127132)
07-23-2004 8:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 99 by jar
07-23-2004 7:52 PM
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Re: Paul again.
Unless you read Genesis one where they are made at the same time and there is no mention of her being made as a helpmate. Jar, here you go with your nonsense. As I've so often stated, you can come up with just about anything you want by isolating verses from context. I'm sure you're fully aware that chapter two plainly states how the woman was made and that she was not made at the same time as Adam. Why do you do this? To irritate and play games? If you want to dialog, get real. Then if I don't respond you come after me for it. I'm too busy for this kind of useless dialog.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 102 of 314 (127138)
07-23-2004 8:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 101 by Buzsaw
07-23-2004 8:13 PM
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Re: Paul again.
Buz, the facts are that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 give two different tales. The orders are different and even the means. These are old oral histories, myths, and were never intended to be taken literally.
As I've so often stated, you can come up with just about anything you want by isolating verses from context. But that's what folk like you do. You run through the Bible and pick out those little segments that you want to use to reinforce your prejudices, but the rest is ignored or interpreted. The Bible is but a Map. It is not the territory.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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PecosGeorge
Member (Idle past 6904 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 103 of 314 (127159)
07-23-2004 9:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 98 by Buzsaw
07-23-2004 7:44 PM
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Re: Paul again.
Your speculation is interesting.
"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!" 2 Cor. 7:1
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nator
Member (Idle past 2201 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 104 of 314 (127214)
07-24-2004 12:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 91 by riVeRraT
07-23-2004 6:33 PM
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What? Tell me, do you also consider that Buzsaw's analysis of his male customer in his retail service scenario is likely to be incorrect? Buzsaw claims that his male customer was reduced to "begging like a child" to his wife for tool money because this male customer had let his wife becoe the leader in their marriage.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2201 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 105 of 314 (127215)
07-24-2004 12:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 73 by nator
07-22-2004 10:07 AM
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bump for buz
Buzsaw, do you believe that having a leader/follower type marriage leads to the "follower" being reduced to engaging in childlike behavior, such as begging for money? Please answer. Tally of times asked: 4
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