Jar's belief statement- Part 2

But they arent impossible to imagine, I can imagine all of the possiblities quite easily.Don't you believe that Yahweh was (is) a tyrant?Brian.

Hi J, This is all nice and fluffy, and may well be true for all we know.The 'problem' I have with it is that this view of God is nothing at all like the God of the Hebrew Bible and the Christian New Testament.Both sets of scriptures are rife with examples that contradict this view of God. For example, does God's behaviour during the period of the Judges line up with the idea that He loves everyone? Does it suggest that there is no condition on salvation? The text blatantly contradicts these ideas.Brian.

Of course no one has a monopoly on God, Jews, Muslims, HIndus and whatever have every right to worship whichever God they wish.However, the slight problem I have with Jar's faith, is that, while his view of God could be correct, he is claiming to be a Christian.Now Jar's entitiled to follow what he wants, but what he describes is not Christianity, it is more like an sort of eclectic deism.His faith in God is good, but it isnt Christianty, it is nothing like Christianty.Brian.

The God that you describe is, IMO, even more evil than the warlord we have been talking about.You are saying that we are all created 'unsaved', and we must therefore actively seek out this God of yours in order to become saved!This means that your God creates people in the knowledge that He will send them to Hell. It means that your God has allowed other 'untrue' faiths to come into existence without doing anything about it.Worst of all, your God has given us a Book in which to seek Him, the only problem is, the Book is a raging mess. One of the best arguments against the God of the Bible being real is the condition of the Bible. it truly is a mess, whether speaking about historical events or philosophical aspects, the thing is rife with errors, and the only way round these errors is throw a tantrum and claim that all external evidence is inaccurate. This is a excellent example of how a fundy mind squares the clear cut horrific deeds of a petty God with their fantasy.God was right to slaughter all the Egyptian babies because everything He does is right!Dear God Faith, don't you see how enbarrassing that stance is?Don't you see that with this approach to any subject you could make it seem rational? Jesus you could even make George Bush seem semi intelligent if you ignored all the evidence. And what about those that haven't?What about those who have rejected it because their God given intelligence convinces them that the Bible is a collection of fairytales? Do we get condemned for being able to think?Apparently God doesn't want us to be automatons, but your approach to the Bible and God makes you just that, a nonthinking robot. The thing is, if your God was even the slightest bit competent we would all believe in Him. if He did anything at all to even suggest His existence then you would have a case, but He doesn't, He has done bugger all for 2000 years.Also, the choice you give is a choice that not even the simplest of us would reject IF God showed any signs of activity. I mean who would be silly enough to choose Hell over Heaven if there was even a slightest hint that they were real?What is it like being caught up in a game of dungeons and dragons?Brian.

It does make God look more evil.But, think about it for a moment. Evil is a human characteristic, God isn;t human, therefore a human characteristic cannot be applied to God.Faith's God may be evil from our viewpoint, but the deeds we deem as evil may not appear evil or nasty to God.It could simply be a part of the nature of Faith's God to slaughter innocent children and condemn people to Hell, it may make Him evil in our eyes, but it may just be the way Faith's God is. Slaughtering innocents may be second nature ot her God, who knows God's mind anyway?Brian.

The thing is, the retaliation is not proportionate.Two people eat a fruit ans thus everyone else is branded a ciminal?How logical is that Faith, how fair is that?Even law abiding citizens are criminals because an ancestor of their's ate a fruit! How ludicrous is that Faith?If my great grandfather killed someone, shouldn't I be in jail? Well, it isn't a fact, it is what you believe, and it is based on nothing other than a fairytale that allows YOU to justify all of YOUR bad deeds that you have done in YOUR life. I mean how can you help yourself from doing nasty things when you are so evil and corrupt? If that silly man and woman all those centuries ago just didn't eat that little old fruit then poor old Faith wouldn't be tempted to sin. You shoudl have a bit more self repsect.Well, I've learned one thing from this thread, never to talk about these things again. All I want to say to this post of yours is that there is no such thing as an innocent person since the Fall, and everything hangs on that fact.

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Doesn't Paul say the exact opposite?How could he have got it so wrong?Not bursting your balls, just genuinely interested because it seems in such stark contrast to what Paul taught, and he was supposed to have been taught by the best (allegedly).Brian.

I cannot remember where I read this but it went along the of Paul not being someone that you would like to buy a second hand car from.But, don't you feel that he is pretty consistent regarding that everyone was born a sinner.The church I grew up in, and probably all the different churches I can think of, focus on Jesus sacrifice being a payment for our sins, and our sins are apparently inherited from Adam.I am not saying you are wrong, but it is drastically at odds with what I would call mainstream Christianity.Brian.