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Ringo, I will tell you again that that you have no idea
what the Bible means by death.At least you admit that you don't understand the Bible.
You say you know it, but don't understand it.This is similar to a medical doctor saying that he knows
medicine but doesn't understand it.If one believes that humans are immortal, or that we
have an immortal soul, or that our spirit lives on, then
they must believe that many humans will spend
eternity in hell.If one accepts the fact that one can die and have no
consciousness whatsoever, the idea that they will
spend eternity suffering in pain vanishes.How sick minded one must be to believe that God
would do this to us. Not saying that you do.Knowing what God means by death is absolutely a
necessity for understanding God's nature.As for 80 proof, I understand it quite well.I was born in Golden Pond, KY, in 1953. My dad, uncles,
and order brothers made moonshine.I've had brothers spend time in the federal penitentiary,
in Terre Haute, Indiana.They made shine in Golden Pond.I was old enough to remember big black cars coming to
the house and putting gallon soda syrup bottles filled
with shine in the trunks.In any event, God didn't have whiskey on His mind when
He told us to prove all things.I am not out to prove which one of us knows more about
the Bible. There are others who probably understand more
than the three of us put together.I have been trying to show the love of God for all of us.
And, that He will employ the best method to have each
of us become members of His family.Concerning the end of this present age and life in His
Kingdom, God had this to say.Hebrews 8:10-12 "For this is the covenant that I will make
with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I
will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their
hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me
a people:""And they shall not teach every man His neighbor, and
every man His brother, saying, know the Lord: for all shall
Know me from the least to the greatest.""For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their
sins and inquiries will I remember no more."All will be taught by Jesus and the other firstfruits, which
were called out down through the ages.Each of those who were called out were offered a place in
God's coming Kingdom, as part of His government.Each of them were baptized with the assurance that if they
would devote themselves to His cause, and if they, as a
group, continually prepared themselves to rule with Him, that
they would be in the first resurrection.They were not baptized under the assumprion that they
would go to heaven after death. They were baptized with the
promise that they would be raised to rule with Christ.Muslims, Chinese, Buddhists, and everyone still alive will be
corrected and given their opportunity to join the family of
God, as born again spirit beings.All those who are converted during the 1000 years of God's
Kingdom will help to convert the multiple billions who come
up in the second resurrection.God will give everyone the same opportunity, but at different
times.

Phat, Ringo stated to you that for many believers
"understanding" the Bible means juggling it.Isaiah had this to say about that.Isaiah 28:9-10 "Whom shall He teach knowledge? and
whom shall He make to understand doctrine? Them that
are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast.""For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little."Concerning the fate of those who do not allow God to develop
Godly character in them (after all have had their opportunity),
David had this to say:Psalms 37:20 "But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of
the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into
smoke shall they consume away."They will perish in a devouring fire, not a preserving fire.Malachi 4:1-3 "For behold the day comes, that shall burn as an
oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be
stubble: and the day that comes shall burn them up, says the
Lord of hosts, t&t it shall leave them neither root nor branch.""But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness
arise with healing in her wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow
up as calvesof the stall.""And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes
under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, says
the Lord of hosts."Notice that the wicked are compared to stubble, not asbestos.In numerous passages in the NT the wicked are compared to
chaff, that will be burned up.It is against God's nature to punish humans for eternity. And He
will not give the wicked eternal life so that they can be miserable
for eternity.

You have an imaginary boyfriend. Not "beyond the book". You have rejected the book. Your imaginary messenger is a belittled version of the book. You're crazy.

You keep pretending you know what I "fully understand". Of course. Whether I identify as "tall" depends on how tall the people around me are.
​ That would be me.Of course, it also applies to YOU, too. No matter how firmly you pretend to believe, you do not know.
​ What on earth do evolutionists have to do with it? I don't think you know what you're talking about. I think the God described by most Christians would be cruel and uncaring if He existed. It sounds like you hate Christopher Hitchens passionately. So you're another one of those who gets his "Satan" from Dante and Milton. In the Bible, Satan is God's henchman. See the book of Job.So... are you ever going to actually DISCUSS any of these things?

I don't know how you could say that. Adam walked with God and talked with God. Practically nobody in the Bible had as intimate a relationship with God as Adam did. In Genesis 3, God himself said that Adam and Eve had become like Him. They clearly did "develop Godly character". But they didn't do it by having "access to God's Holy Spirit". They did it by essentially defying Him.

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I just thought I'd comment on this. When you listen to Hitchen's debates with people like John Lennox I get a very different image of him. He was definitely an atheist, but what he was passionate about criticizing was a god as sometimes pictured in the OT that called for and committed genocide and called for public stoning. As a Christian I agree with him on that issue. That was the god that he and I reject.This is the problem as trying to understand the Bible as literally dictated by God. You can't square that genocidal commands with Jesus call to love our neighbours. Although he clearly opposed Christianity his focus was on the Christianity that justified a God that could ever support genocide. Hopefully he actually was a benefit to the church by making the church think about these issues. Too often this view has contributed to help justify some very un-Christ-like actions.

Not at all. Do you understand the difference between knowing and understanding? For example, I know what you are saying but I don't understand why you would think it's true. You claim to know what I know and don't know but I have never said anything like that. I think you're actually going at it in the opposite direction. You have decided what you think "God's nature" is - and you have reverse-engineered from that what He "must mean" by death. You manage to go on and on a lot about what I only intended as a throw-away line. In fact, that is EXACTLY the way the Bible uses the word "prove" - test.

Phat, the Bible has several examples of men who had
God's Holy Spirit and still they would sin out of weakness.It is one thing to sin willingly, out ot weakness. We are still
"flesh and blood."It is another matter to sin willfully, with disregard for what
God expects.Hebrews 10:26-27 "For if we sin wilfully after that we
have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains
no more sacrifice for sin,""But a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery
indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."Hebrews 6:4-6 "For it is impossible for those who were
once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift,
and we're made partakers of the Holy Spirit,""And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers
of the world to come,""If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;
seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh,
and put Him to an open shame."They are the ones who need our prayers. They are now
receiving their only calling.They know for certain that they have been called by God.
And, He knows that they know, and they know that He
knows they know.If they reject their calling, they are no different than the
angels who rebelled against God.If someone asks another person if he has the Holy Spirit
and that person answers that he doesn't know, then that
Individual does not have It.

Ringo, I didn't hate Christopher Hitchens. Earlier in my
life I thought basically the same thing that he did about
God.I hated God based on my misguided views of Him.I thought that He was somewhat cruel. I was also angry
in that He was not here to answer our questions. I did not
know what He wanted from us.And above all I did not want to burn in hell for eternity.I fought against Him. I would curse Him bitterly.But, I knew that He existed. No one can build that much
hate and animosity against someone that doesn't exist.Two people cannot walk together unless they are in
agreement. And I begged God to help me love Him.He is totally different than how the world presents Him.I hope that God forgives CH, and I mean that with all my
heart.I am not going to look the sources up because I know
what I have read. Many so-called evolutionists are on
record stating that they simply could not accept the
existence of God because it would interfere with their
way of living.

That's why I hate God as much as I hate Emperor Palpatine. I've never stated such a thing.

They can build hate against something that they BELIEVE exists. Again, I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Ringo, you state that someone can build hate against
something/someone that they think exists.You are absolutely right.Christopher Hitchens believed that God exists.And he hated God based on his mistaken belief of
God's nature.

When did Hitches ever say that he hated God? He hated religion, not God.

Liar. Hitch hated the evil of religious thought. Your thought.

You have spread this evil fucking lie here before and you couldn't name a single example. You spread this bullshit but it is just coating you. You are one of those so-called christians who are willing to commit any evil in the service of Satan.