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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
candle2 writes: Both ringo and I understand the Bible better than you do. You are just a parrot for your church. [/rant] Everything you say and preach is what they taught you to say and preach. Phat stated that you understood the Bible, and comparedto him, he could be right. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: It is if you happen to be God. You would likely argue with Him, though...telling Him He was slacking on the job! Mere existence is not a very impressive feat.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
It is if you happen to be God.
Why? I thought he was omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. But mere existence is some sort of feat?What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
You have no idea what I know.
Ringo, you have no idea what the Bible says about death. candle2 writes:
You're confusing what I know with your opinions. All I know about your opinions is what you post here. I point out where what you post is wrong.
You do not fully understand what death is. candle2 writes:
What conviction would that be? I haven't told you about any convictions.
You lack the courage of your conviction. candle2 writes:
The punchline to one of my favorite jokes: I don't have to run faster than the bear. I only have to run faster than you. Phat stated that you understood the Bible, and comparedto him, he could be right. People can decide for themselves whether I'm ahead of Phat. And they can decide for themselves whether I'm ahead of you. You and Phat both like to blow your own horns. (Maybe you should be in the band instead of on the track team.) I'll just let people decide from my posts how smart or stupid I am.
candle2 writes:
I don't claim to "understand" what the Bible says. I claim to be able to read what the Bible says. A lot of people, like Phat and you, try to tell me it doesn't say what it says. For many believers, "understanding" the Bible means juggling it.
But, if someone lacks the understanding of all that deathconstitutes, how in the world can they claim to understand anything the Bible says? candle2 writes:
I don't have any "conviction" about the dead, so it doesn't require any courage: The dead are dead. It's a different set of chemical reactions. The life reactions are sustainable as long as there is input of food, oxygen, etc. The death reactions are sustainable as long as the once-alive chemicals last. (They are usually eaten by other living things.) After that, they tend to become just non-living chemicals.
I doubt that you will have the courage to state yourconviction of the state of the dead. candle2 writes:
I do. He's a farmer. He says that farmers that don't return chemicals to the land are just mining the soil. Most likely you will reply with some ridiculous commentabout you having a cousin named Murray. I'm trying to be interesting because you're not.
candle2 writes:
He did. He was also a vegetarian - but that wasn't his biggest fault.
Or that Hitler loved his dog. candle2 writes:
And guess what? The other 60% is something else. (I hope I'm not too far over your head with the math.) Or that 80-proof liquor is 40% alcohol. So... are you going to actually discuss the Bible? Or are you just going to be my straight-man? I can go either way.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I'd fire him. You would likely argue with Him, though...telling Him He was slacking on the job! If I employ somebody whose resume includes omnipotence, I expect a lot.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Taq Member Posts: 9973 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Phat writes: You would likely argue with Him, though...telling Him He was slacking on the job! Hospitals full of children with cancer would be rather obvious evidence of sleeping on the job.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo, addressing Candle writes: True, though for at least *some* believers, the words have less precise meaning than does the messenger Himself. You will accuse us of making up the messenger as we go, but the fact is, we believe we have a relationship with the messenger *in* the book above and beyond the book itself. I dunno...call me crazy.
I claim to be able to read what the Bible says. A lot of people, like Phat and you, try to tell me it doesn't say what it says. For many believers, "understanding" the Bible means juggling it.So... are you going to actually discuss the Bible? Or are you just going to be my straight-man? If we can provide comedy to the peanut gallery while you bust my balls about morality, I'm all in. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Thats assuming that you can even define His job. He may have a more intricate job "description" than your mind can fathom. Perhaps He wants *you* to give it all up and help those kids yourself.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Taq Member Posts: 9973 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Phat writes: Thats assuming that you can even define His job. From all appearances, his job is "doesn't exist".
He may have a more intricate job "description" than your mind can fathom. Perhaps He wants *you* to give it all up and help those kids yourself.
Yet again, that is indistinguishable from a deity that doesn't exist.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Hospitals full of children with cancer would be rather obvious evidence of sleeping on the job. Sounds like willful neglect, not sleeping.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Taq Member Posts: 9973 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Phat writes: True, though for at least *some* believers, the words have less precise meaning than does the messenger Himself. You will accuse us of making up the messenger as we go, but the fact is, we believe we have a relationship with the messenger *in* the book above and beyond the book itself. I dunno...call me crazy. If someone told me that they were in a relationship yet the only thing they could tell me about this person was from their biography I would say they were crazy. That's not a relationship. Of course, this is what we would expect to see if the messenger were invented as was the biography.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo, you do not fully understand how the word
agnostic has evolved over the years. When the King James Version was written the word"replinish," as in replenish the earth, did not mean to restock. Check out an older dictionary. It wasn't even listed as a secondary meaning. Replenish as defined in current dictionaries is nowdefined as to restock. The change in definitions occurred gradually. The Cambridge English Dictionary now defines a womanas someone who identifies as a woman, even if that person was said to have a different sex at birth. I have attended several classes where those whoidentified themselves as agnostics viewed themselves as such based on differing reasons. These included: Belief in God, but can't prove it.Don't know if I believe in God or not. Inclined to believe in God, but don't want to--He is cruel and unapproachable. There is no way to know whether He exists or not. Many evolutionists identify with the third deffinition. Christopher Hitchens believed in the existence of God.He just believed that God was cruel and uncaring. He hated God with a passion that burned red hot.The poor man did his best to turn people away from God. He devoted his life to Satan's cause, whether heconsciously knew this or not. He had a completely wrong idea about who God isand what God is doing. These churches that teach humans will burn in hellforever paint a wrong image of God. And they cause people to hate God.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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Ringo, if you read my post to Tangle, you would read
where I was pressed for time. I was texting in a hurray. In doing so I wrongly spelled agregious instead ofegregious. But, glad that you pointed it out to me in a helpfulmanner, instead of doing so egregiously. Adam did not have access to God's Holy Spirit. WithoutGod's Holy Spirit it is impossible to develop Godly character. The israelites escaping Egypt saw miracles that wouldstagger the imagination, but they still complained and rebelled. Why? Except for Moses and perhaps one or two more, theydid not have access to God's Holy Spirit.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
candle2 writes: Even with Gods Holy Spirit we can be selfish assholes at times. Or egotistical ones who claim to be Saints! It is unwise to continually grieve the Spirit. WithoutGod's Holy Spirit it is impossible to develop Godly character. Critics will ask how would we ever know whether we had the Spirit or not. Which is a valid question.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Christopher Hitchens believed in the existence of God. He just believed that God was cruel and uncaring. We can see this as an example of the extent of your research and prep in your posts. You lie about Hitchens. Bad lie. Known lie. Provable lie. As with most of the drivel you have posted, the accuracy and legitimacy of your statement is known to be bogus.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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