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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
I would say the horse and donkey are the same kind. Well that would be silly. You already know they can't have fertile offspring, so they must not be the same kind. You really get confused easily don't you? They are obviously different species based on hundreds of differences physiologically and tens of thousands or more of differences genetically. You seem to think we are going to pretend that you know what you are talking about with this silliness with mules? They have nothing to do with evolution. You have been told that repeatedly just since your return. It seems pointless for you to keep repeating yourself after we keep telling you that hybridization between closely related species (whether fertile or not) is not what we mean when we are talking about evolution.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7
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Hi Kjsimons,
kjsimons writes: I've stated before, that it is a process that only acts on breeding populations. I have personal experience with changes in species evolution if you prefer. I was born and raised on a farm. We raised hogs and when we went to marker they weighed about 150 lbs average. In school I was in the FFA and took agriculture classes. I got interested in improving our income so I began cross breeding and eventually we had hogs that weighed an average 600 lbs and some even 800 lbs. So with selective breeding I took hogs that was running loose in the woods and produced huge hogs. I did the same kind of thing with our crops getting huge yields per acre. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: So you admit that evolution DID work for the horse and the donkey. Perhaps you would like to present the evidence that evolution is restricted to “kinds” (a concept entirely invented by creationists).
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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So if evolution don't work for the offspring of Jacks and Mares how does it work for anything else? To see the difference, Reverend, look at their chromosome number. That's one of the differences between these species. As a result the combined genome is (chemically) confused on the germ-cell level and either cannot produce gametes or only produces non-viable gametes. Evolution did work. The mule's parents put together a genome that was not a viable fit for the environment. That faulty genome will not be passed on. Survival of the fittest, Reverend.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Tany writes:
He knows perfectly well that evolution is decent with modification, the slow splitting of species, not joining two separate species. I know you and others say that is what it is. But where is the evidence Reverend, the evidence is at all the schools you didn't attend and in all the sciences you didn't study. Strong evidence does actually exist and is available to everyone/anyone, unlike your fanciful claims of some cosmic ghost.
But where is the evidence This question is disingenuous. The evidence is right down the street at your friendly neighborhood international paleontology museum and you won't go see. Besides, you know you will never acknowledge any of the evidence because it holds no role in this universe for your fake gods. BTW, if you do decide to learn actual facts and have about 6 months free time I highly suggest the Field Museum of Natural History - Wikipedia as a place for your sabbatical studies in the Modern Synthesis of the Theory of Evolution.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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I call bullshit.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
ICANT, you stated:
God has only ever had one day which is an eternal lightperiod in the past and the future. The Bible not support this view. You claim that the world,and God Himself was burning on dim until, much like the Green Latern, He said "flame on." God will indeed be the light source for the New Jerusalem,but the light in day one came from the sun. There is no reason to think otherwise. All days of creation we had an evening and a morning.The reason for this is because of the earth rotating on it's axis. Most second graders know this. The portion of earth facing the sun had translucentlight. The portion facing away from the sun had night. You also asked: Are you saying there was not a light period before thedark period found at Genesis 1:2? It doesn't matter what I say. God said this. God's daysbegins in evening, at the going down of the sun. If we do away with the evening till morning hours of dayone, it reduces day one to just half a day-the last half. You wrote: Did they go to the sepuchre before 6 in the evening or 6in the morning? If they went before 6 in the evening that would be just before dark which would be the beginning of the first day according to you. John states that it was on the first day of the week, whichwould have been after the going down of the sun on the Sabbath day. Jesus was in the tomb from Wednesday just before thegoing down of the sun, till just before the going down of the sun on the weekly Sabbath, three day and three nights later. Just as Matthew stated in 12:38-40. Matthew, Mark, and Luke state that the women went tothe tomb in the morning. Combine these with John and we realize that it was early morning. In any case, Christ had come out of the tomb roughlytwelve hours before the women arrived.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Tanypteryx,
Tanypteryx writes: Well that would be silly. You already know they can't have fertile offspring, so they must not be the same kind. That just means that they have mutated to where they can't produce offspring.
Tanypteryx writes: It seems pointless for you to keep repeating yourself after we keep telling you that hybridization between closely related species (whether fertile or not) is not what we mean when we are talking about evolution. Actually it shows there is a dead end to their producing anything. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
ICANT in Message 3233 writes: Tanypteryx writes: Well that would be silly. You already know they can't have fertile offspring, so they must not be the same kind. That just means that they have mutated to where they can't produce offspring. Because they are not the same species.
ICANT in Message 3233 writes: Tanypteryx writes: It seems pointless for you to keep repeating yourself after we keep telling you that hybridization between closely related species (whether fertile or not) is not what we mean when we are talking about evolution. Actually it shows there is a dead end to their producing anything. So you think pointlessly repeating yourself demonstrates some point or makes it less invalid? And hybridization is STILL NOT WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EVOLUTION! So why do you keep repeating it?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi AZPaul,
AZPaul writes: Reverend, the evidence is at all the schools you didn't attend and in all the sciences you didn't study.[ I did go to school and I did study biology, but I refused to drink the kool aid. Because they did not have any more evidence than presented here. You will not believe anything I say and ask for my evidence. According to the Bible the following facts are true. The heavens and earth had a beginning to exist. Science 13.8 Billion years agoThe heavens are stretching out. Science 1922 The earth is round. Science about 600 BCE The life of the flesh is in the blood. Science in 1925 stopped bleeding people to cure them. These 4 things was recorded 3500 years ago, in scripture. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
These 4 things was recorded 3500 years ago, in scripture. These 4 things were obvious or viable to any competent observer of their time. That does not make them divine revelations. The proof is in the fact that your bible writers had not idea why these things were as they were, so they made up ghosts, while the science found the actual fact with an actual why and didn't find any ghosts anywhere.
Because they did not have any more evidence than presented here. That's a big lie, Reverend. You know where the facts to study are located. You refuse to go to them and learn. You know you cannot get that kind of education here in this internet site. And these aren't opinions. Learn the myriad of things you never even knew of evolution and how we know these things are real. But you refuse to lift the scales from your eyes. You enforce upon your mind a strict quarantine from contrary knowledge. Why does reality scare you so much? Is your god-idea so fragile that reality would shatter it?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Paul,
AZPaul3 writes: These 4 things were obvious or viable to any competent observer of their time. They were sheepherders, farmers, Warriors and merchants and some were slaves.They had no universities, to fill their heads with nonsense. They were busy just trying to survive. AZPaul3 writes: And these aren't opinions. Sure they are. Science knows nothing about how life began to exist.Science knows nothing about evolution. Evolution cannot be reproduced in a lab or on a farm. There has not been a fossil found that was not of a completely formed species. There have been several attempts to take a fragment and create a creature that turned out to be fakes. If it cannot be observed occurring or created in a lab it is not science. Anything else is opinions and conjectures. I don't have enough faith to believe those opinions and conjectures. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Tanypteryx,
Tanypteryx writes: STILL NOT WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EVOLUTION! Then why don't you present the evidence to support what you are talking about? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Candle2,
Let me start off by saying that you need to learn how to post so we can understand your posts. To quote one of us you need to highlight our words and copy them to the clipboard. Then go to the reply screen and type [] inside those brackets type quote then paste the information you copied to the clipboard then type [] with /quote between them. The result will be:
quote: You can also type [] with qs=Icant between the brackets followed by my words you want inserted followed by [] with /qs between the brackets and you will get this:
ICANT writes: You can also type [] with qs=Icant between the brackets followed by my words you want inserted followed by [] with /qs between the brackets and you will get this: If you are going to keep using your phone you need to figure out how to do that on the phone. Better yet just use a computer.
candle2 writes: ICANT, you stated: God has only ever had one day which is an eternal light period in the past and the future. The Bible not support this view. John writes: 1John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. The Bible supports my statement.If He is light and there is no darkness in Him how could He not have always existed in a period of Light? Did John know what he was talking about is God Light?
candle2 writes: God will indeed be the light source for the New Jerusalem,but the light in day one came from the sun. The sun was not made visible from the earth until the fourth day. Where did the light come from before God formed days preparing the earth for humans? God does not have days as He is eternal.
candle2 writes: All days of creation we had an evening and a morning.The reason for this is because of the earth rotating on it's axis. Most second graders know this. Did God live in darkness in eternity past?I think not as God is Light. 1John 1:5 Did God create the darkness that existed at Genesis 1:2? If He did not where did it come from? Isaiah writes:
Notice God did no create Light but He did do some work on it. Isaiah 45:7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. But He did create Darkness.
Paul writes: Colossians 1:16 For by him were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Nothing was created that God did not create.
candle2 writes: It doesn't matter what I say. God said this. God's daysbegins in evening, at the going down of the sun. Are you saying that God did not exist until Genesis 1:5?
candle2 writes: If we do away with the evening till morning hours of dayone, it reduces day one to just half a day-the last half. I agree that the last half of a day is the dark period as sunrise begins a new day. So, what are you arguing about?
candle2 writes:
What day did they arrive at the tomb? In any case, Christ had come out of the tomb roughlytwelve hours before the women arrived. I agree that he was buried before 6 PM Wednesday and came out of the tomb exactly72 hours later as was prophesied.
Matthew writes: Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. The Sabbath had ended and it had begun to get light of the first day of the week Mary came to the tomb. By the way the sababth was the last day of the week not the first day. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Paul,
AZPaul writes: Evolution did work. The mule's parents put together a genome that was not a viable fit for the environment. That faulty genome will not be passed on. Survival of the fittest, Reverend. I believe in the survival of the fittest as I have been able to observe that in my lifetime. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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