Choosing a faith

Hi Candle3, Can you not read and understand English? Message 3193

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They already exist. They are not visible yet as this one has not melted with fervent heat which it will.

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Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you.

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John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

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I did not say they were here. I said they already existed.You ask where they exist. They exist in God's hip pocket or backyard which is the third heaven. Some scientists like to talk about multiverses, well they do exist. I sure hope not, because I will be just like Jesus and he had a physical glorified body. I expect to have the same during the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth as well as in the New Jerusalem. I am a son of God now and I will be like Him when He appears. They were not looking at a spirit. They were looking at Jesus in a glorified body.God Bless,

Hi Paul, The only evolution I support is the evolution within a species as that is all I have seen take place. You can breed and cross breed and get many different critters but they never produce a new species.I know you can breed a jack and a mare and get a mule which would be half brother/sister to a horse and jack but it would still be in the same family. Problem is the mule line would stop there as they can not reproduce mules.

Hi Kjsimons, The genes are different chromosome count in the jack and horse is what causes the 63 chromosomes in the mule. But if all horses died and all jacks died there would be no mules to carry on evolution as you see it.God Bless,

Nope that is not as I see it and you know this but spout this nonsense anyhow.
Mules aren't carrying on evolution as they are a dead end because they can't reproduce. Evolution happens to populations of life that are capable of reproducing. So evolution is occurring for horse and ass populations, but not for mules.

ICANT, you stated: "Actually the day had already ended
since it was evening.God's day have always began in the evening, at the going
down of the sun. Leviticus 23:32.Creation week days alway start with "and the evening and
the morning were the first, second, etc...day.While it is true that the light portion is referred to as day;
the same is true of the whole 24 hour period.The same is true today. Sunset to sunset.David understood this. He wrote is Psalms 55:17, "evening,
and morning, and at noon, will I pray."Always evening first.Paul, and the other disciples of Christ, understood this.
Notice in Acts 20:7"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples
came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them,
ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his
speech until midnight."This first day of the week would continue until the going
down of the sun on the second day of the week.Throughout the Greek world at that time, and for a few
hundred years afterward, days began in the evening.Also in John 19, the Jews removed Jesus from the cross
before the going down of the sun. At the going down of
the sun a new day would begin.The new day was a Holy Day, the Feast of Unleavened
Bread. It was an annual Sabbath, a high day.Jesus was placed in the tomb just before the going down
of the sun on a Wednesday.From Wednesday evening until Thursday evening was one
day and one night. From Wednesday evening until Friday
evening was two day an two nights. From Wednesday
evening until Saturday (weekly Sabbath) evening was
three days and three nights.When the women went to the Tomb early on the first day
of the week, while it was still dark, Jesus had already
risen. John 20:1.

Hi Candle3, God has only ever had one day which is an eternal light period in the past and the future. Are you saying there was not a light period before the dark period found at Genesis 1:2?That would mean that the creation of the heavens and the earth took place in darkness.I am of the opinion that was a light show that was the biggest light show ever.
Science tells us it was 10^32 Kelvin when the universe began to exist.Since day one ended with the light period that followed the dark period at Genesis 1:2 day one was only 12 hours long. Is that what you are saying? Have you ever seen an evening that was not preceded by a period of light?You seem to be hung up on the Jewish practice of having their day begin at sundown.Can you tell me what God created darkness in? Light had always existed but God had to create darkness which he called night First day does not exist in the original text יום אחד does which means day one reading the Hebrew from right to left. The Hebrew word for first is ראשנה.Moses said day one ended with the light period that followed the dark period.Genesis 1:5 light period and dark period = day one as there had never been a day before it.
Genesis 1:8 the light period that followed that first dark period and the second dark period that ended with a light period = second day.
Genesis 1:13 the light period that ended the second day and dark period that ended with a light period = third day.
Genesis 1:19 the light period that ended the third day and dark period that ended with a light period = fourth day.
Genesis 1:223 the light period that ended the fourth day and dark period that ended with a light period = fifth day.
Genesis 1:31 the light period that ended the fifth day and dark period that ended with a light period =sixth day.
Genesis 2:2 the light period that ended the sixth day and dark period that ended with a light period = seventh day. In which God did not create anything and is still not creating anything.When the dark period that followed the seventh day ended the week started all over again, and has done so every since. Did they go to the sepuchre before 6 in the evening or 6 in the morning?
If they went before 6 in the evening that would be just before dark which would be the beginning of the first day according to you.If they went before 6 in the morning that would be midday according to you.If they went just before 6 in the morning and it was called the first day of the week that day did not start at 6 in the evening.God Bless,

Hi wise1, The process of one critter producing another species of critter. I don't think it happens at all as there is no evidence of it happening.
The mule is the closest thing to transmutation that I know of. A horse is a kind, a cow is a kind, a hog is a kind, a bird is a kind and there are many different breeds in these kinds. You are a creationist as you believe the universe had a beginning to exist about 13.8 billion years ago in what is known as the big bang.I believe the universe was created in the beginning. Whenever that was, whether it was 13.8 billion years ago or 100 trillion undecillinilli­septua­ginta­ses­centilli­sestrigint­illion billion years ago or longer. I have heard a lot of talk about how it is supposed to happen but I have not seen one shred of evidence supporting the claims that it took place.It can't be observed and it can not be reproduced in a lab. So I just don't have enough faith to believe it happened the way the claims say it did.God Bless,

ICANT you wrote:Only God's wrath can bring about destruction. The devil
had to have God's permission to do what he did to Job.
The devil was created for a specific reason and that was
to give mankind a choice. I would say he is doing a perfect job.It is important to understand that the current ruler of this
world has domain over unbelievers only.The unbelievers are taken captive by him at his (Satan's)
will. 2Timothy 2:26.The ungodly used to walk according to the course this
world, according to the prince of the power of the air
(Satan). Ephesians 2:2Read Luke 13:11-16 about the woman that had a spirit of
infirmity for eighteen years. She was bowed, could not
lift herself up.Jesus, the Creator of the universe, including spirit beings,
healed her.Also this same Creator, who created Lucifer, blamed her
condition on Satan. Verse 16.Acts 10:38 states that Jesus healed many of those who
were oppressed by Satan.Even Paul had a thorn in the flesh. 2 Corinthians 12:7-9.
His infirmity was caused by a messenger of Satan.Paul prayed three times for God to take it away from him.
But, God refused. God used this Satan caused infirmity to
actually strengthen Paul.God also allowed Satan to teach Job a valuable lesson, as
well as the rest of us who believe.Job did not trust in the Lord. Job was using good deeds
to gain God's favor. He thought that he had to earn it.In the end Job learned his lesson.God will only allow Satan to tempt believers when they
need to grow spiritually. God understood that Job
needed to learn a valuable lesson.All of Job's family will be resurrected in the second
resurrection They will then receive their first and only
opportunity to become members of the God family.Satan causes the world great harm every day. He tempts
us by exploiting our weaknesses, whatever that weakness
might be.Drugs, wars, abortions, adultery, etc..., are all the products
of Satan. And millions worldwide die from them each year.
Don't tell me that he doesn't cause destruction.Sometimes Satan needs permission from God, especially
if the individual has placed his life in God's hands. But
God will allow this only for the benefit of the believer.There is no meaningless suffering for believers.The emotion that Satan uses the most against us is
pride. Pride was Satan's downfall.I will address the part about Satan being created for a
specific reason sometime during the day.Satan is not a hero.i

Hi Candle2, Not until they give their permission like the man in the garden when he chose to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I think Pauls biggest thorne in his flesh was the memories of Stephen being stoned to death while he gave permission and held the coats of those who did the stoning.I think the meeting he had on the road to Damascus and the bright light that blinded him was another problem of impairing his sight . The devil did not have anything to do with that. God created the devil but he did not have anything to do with the birth of the king of Babylon. The word Lucifer appears only one time in the Bible. It is a Latin word and does not appear in the original text which was written in Hebrew.
הילל means shining one, morning star. This verse is talking about the king of Babylon. the subject don't change between verse 4 and verse 16. What lesson was God trying to teach Job? God said "my servant, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil"What God thought about Job tells me Job did not have a lesson to learn.Do you ever read about what you are writing about. If you do you need to learn some reading skills. The devil/satan has not falllen from anything. He is doing exactly what God created him to do. God created evil. Satan did not fall and has not been cast out of heaven yet he still roams around in heaven. He had a conversation God about Job as the scripture above says. No. But if he had not been created there would be no evil. That would have meant that humans would not have a choice between good and evil.But the reason for humans was to have a created being with freewill to have an opportunity to choose to love Him and serve Him by their free choice.The rest of creation does exactly what they were created to do that includes the devil/satan.Gopd Bless,

Hi kjsimons, So if evolution don't work for the offspring of Jacks and Mares how does it work for anything else?God Bless,

Please stop playing dumb, it doesn't reflect well on you as it's a form of lying. If you have ever even briefly looked into evolution then you will know, as I've stated before, that it is a process that only acts on breeding populations. So in this case evolution is working on the offspring of donkeys and also on the offspring of horses but not the hybrid mules because those are sterile. For organisms that sexually reproduce every new member of their population is a mixture of their parents DNA plus several mutations as reproduction is never perfect. It's these mutations that provide the new material for evolution to work on.

It works because those "anything else" include populations which produce fertile offspring. Evolution is an integral part of life doing what life does, such that as long as life exists and functions naturally, then it will evolve. For that matter, life started evolving as soon as life started reproducing and replicating; there is no way for life to exist and function without evolving. That holds true regardless of whether life had originated naturally or supernaturally or by any other means; it's just a natural consequence of how life works.IOW, your equating of "evolution" with the breeding of asses and horses to produce mules is mistaken. That is not what evolution is nor how it works.Which means that your trying to dismiss evolution based on your mistaken ideas about "evolution" is wrong. If you want to dismiss or even disprove something, then you need to address and base your dismissal/disproving on that very thing itself, not on some misrepresentation of it. As I have stated on my creation/evolution site for decades:

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My position basically boils down to this:

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If you honestly and truly want to fight evolution, then at least do it right! Learn everything you can about evolution and then attack it, not some stupid strawman caricature of it. And do so honestly and truthfully!

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By refusing to fight evolution honestly and truthfully, but rather using "creation science" instead, you are constantly shooting yourself in the foot, dooming your cause to failure and your followers to losing their faith.

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Your other reply, Message 3217, also displays many misconceptions about evolution and basic biology (eg, species and speciation) that I will address later. Basically, while disagreeing with YECs on some matters (presumably their young-earth claims, which as per their "creation model" would label you an "evolutionist" -- refer to my discussion of creationism's foundational Two Model Approach in Message 2994) you seem to share their same misunderstanding of what evolution is and how it works. Indeed, you directly mirrored candle2's deception of "defining" transitional fossils as "they don't exist" by "defining" how evolution works as "it doesn't." We all (except perhaps for candle2 and a few other trolls) know that what you did there is pure BS. But I don't have time right now so I'll address that in my reply to your Message 3217.

ICANT uses this same deceptive tactic every time he shows up here. "Who me? I'm just asking questions about evolution." Every time he shows up multiple people correct his mistaken assumptions about evolution, but he still returns, repeating the same supposed mistakes in understanding. He thinks we will not remember his past deceptions. He knows perfectly well that evolution is decent with modification, the slow splitting of species, not joining two separate species.I just can't figure out why he isn't embarrassed, trying the same deception over and over and pretending to be that ignorant and all the while claiming to be a biblical scholar.

Because he is a fundie christian and a liar for jesus.

Hi Tanypteryx, I know no such thing.I know you and others say that is what it is.But where is the evidenceI would say the horse and donkey are the same kind.God Bless,