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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: I will apologise for the typo it is 18:36
36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world…
It would help if you actually remembered the conversation instead of forgetting the parts where you made serious errors,
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
All of your response is irrelevant and an attempt to not answer.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Pollux Member Posts: 303 Joined: |
Sorry candle 2 but I still don’t know how Satan tempts me. I hear no voices in my ear, no being stands before me, and my heart has nothing to do with my thoughts.
So how does he do it? Does he read my mind and then manipulate my cerebral synapses? If so how? Bringing others to tempt me only pushes the problem onto them. How much omniscience and omnipresence does he have? I can’t recall any texts to show his fellow angels can tempt people. Is there one? In 2 Sam 24 it is God who stirs up David to number Israel. The subsequent punishment of killing 70,000 men plus presumably women and children for doing it seems a tad over the top.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Its easy to handwave away something you don't understand.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
PaulK writes: Thanks but then I wonder you follow it up with this. I will apologise for the typo it is 18:36PaulK writes: It is hard to know what you are referring to when you quote the wrong verse by mistake. It would help if you actually remembered the conversation instead of forgetting the parts where you made serious errors, Anyway we are talking about the Kingdom and you quoted John 18:36.Here is the verse from the New Revised Standard. quote: I agree that more translations use "of" rather than "from" . So even if we use the word "of" we can still in the context of the entire NT understand it more clearly as when it is translated as "from" which modern Christian scholars generally do. . I mentioned when we discussed this before that we can just look at the opening of the Lord's Prayer. Jesus told us to pray like this. "Our Father in Heaven. Your Kingdom come on Earth as in heaven." Jesus is talking about a heavenly Kingdom coming to Earth. This of course brings up the issue of who are the citizens of this Kingdom. I suggest that it is those the have taken on board a life based on the Golden Rule. That is just an opinion. Paul defines the Kingdom this way in Romans 14:17. quote: In that verse Paul is contrasting an Earthly Kingdom to a Heavenly Kingdom that has come to Earth.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
What don't I understand? Your original question has been shown to be meaningless and stupid.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: As I said it would be easier if you remembered the verses we were discussing, The rest of your post is irrelevant to your point. Do you not agree that that particular saying, attributed to Jesus discussion with Pilate comes too late to be relevant to the decision to arrest Jesus?
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Of course. He had already been arrested. It was the Jewish authorities who were trying to make a case to Pilate that Jesus was claiming to be king of the Jews with the inference that Caesar wasn't.
He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: Therefore your assertion that this saying was relevant to the decision to have Jesus arrested was a misrepresentation. So that’s one example - which did not require any special claim of authority on my part.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
People who read it carefully are better qualified than people who don’t - and assume that it agrees with them. Im guessing that you would even go so far to say that an unbiased atheist could describe the meaning of the Bible better than a (biased) Christian. If so, why?
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat: PaulK: Granted my late arrival to the train of thought between you and GDR is irrelevant. That train had already left the station. My point assumes that the Temples actual purpose is human attempt at Holy Communion.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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If you want to head off on your own rabbit trail, why not just start a new thread? Which I can happily ignore.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Phat, they do ask me how do I know that the Bible is
accurate. The big difference it that taxpayers are not being forcedto pay for our (creationism) beliefs. Taxpayers are being forced to pay for the belief (basedsolely on faith) of atheists. No evidence. However, It isn't that they turned it around on me. It is thatI have turned it around on them. I have never told anyone to turn or burn. The world is not in the current mess because we followGod's laws. Who would start a war if they loved their neighbors asThemselves? I refer to agape love, which is the highest form of love."The love of God for man and of man for God. Also, the same degree of love for each other. The world will find itself at the edge of extinctionbecause of the lack of true love for each other, and for God. I fail to see how the world would not be significantlybetter if we all were to stop stealing, lying and committing adultery, etc...
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
PaulK writes: Therefore your assertion that this saying was relevant to the decision to have Jesus arrested was a misrepresentation. So that’s one example - which did not require any special claim of authority on my part. I have gone through all of my posts to you and I can't find any case where I ever quoted that verse. (John 18:36]. How about you show me where I ever made the claim that you are accusing me of making.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: It was Message 2741 though you will have to read it in context
Yes, but He was never talking about an earthly king such as Herod. John in his Gospel writes this:
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