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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
In other words, you can't answer my question:Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals? ringoat writes:
I'm pretty sure you didn't answer that question ... all you did was make an assertion (re the use of cow and pig insulin in humans) ... no explanation was provided.
I'm pretty sure I did answer that question the first time you asked it, quite a long time ago. It isn't a question of "need".
Here you go again ... making an assertion with no explanation in sight. The common ancestor is a fact. Nested hierarchies based on gross anatomy indicated common descent very long ago - and that fact was confirmed more recently by DNA. We don't "need" it to be a fact but it is. We can't really do anything in biology without acknowleging the fact . Explain why "We can't really do anything in biology without acknowleging the fact" of UCD. Explain why cow and pig insulin would not have been used in humans without the "fact" of UCD.
- the evidence for that is the fact that deniers, like creationists, don't do anything in biology.
Hilarious. Many biologists are creationists. What you mean is, no creationists are evolutionary biologists, who are the bullshit-artists, con-men and charlatans of the scientific community.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
which improvement in the treatment of which disease has the "fact" of UCD provided? And explain how.ringoat writes:
True, but as usual, you didn't answer my question.
Cow and pig insulin improved the treatment of diabetes. We only thought of it because cows and pigs are related to us - i.e. we share a common ancestor with cows and pigs.
What a pity you can't cite even one scientific paper that says "We only thought of it because ... we share a common ancestor with cows and pigs." Sadly, your baseless assertions are typical of the deceitful bullshit habitually excreted by Darwinoids.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
YOU are the one who claims that nothing useful has ever come from the understanding of common descent. The use of cow and pig insulin is obviously useful and it is obviously based on the understanding of common descent. YOU are the one who needs to explain your claim that the obvious is not true. You have not said ONE WORD about what is wrong with the obvious explanation. All you have ever said was, "Nuh uh." Put up or shut up.
... all you did was make an assertion (re the use of cow and pig insulin in humans) ... no explanation was provided. Dredge writes:
You don't even understand that because we are related to cows and pigs, we have a common ancestor. Being related MEANS we have a common ancestor. You're agreeing with common descent in one sentence and disagreeing with it in the next sentence. You're contradicting yourself. Explain why "We can't really do anything in biology without acknowleging the fact" of UCD.
How can anybody explain anything to an idiot like you?
Dredge writes:
YOU explain why no creationist, no common-descent denier, has ever produced a useful idea about biology.
Explain why cow and pig insulin would not have been used in humans without the "fact" of UCD. Dredge writes:
Name twelve. Many biologists are creationists.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
I answered. You didn't understand the answer.
you didn't answer my question. Dredge writes:
You won't find a scientific paper that says, "We only thought of it because the earth is round." What a pity you can't cite even one scientific paper that says "We only thought of it because ... we share a common ancestor with cows and pigs." Scientific papers don't work that way.
Dredge writes:
You're the only one here who is sad. And of course, you don't understand why you are sad. Sadly...Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Dredge writes: Some say that the Roman Catholic Church itself is a giant and ongoing cult. Our old member, Faith, used to attack them. The Pope's opinion on evolution means nothing to me. He's merely parroting the consensus of the Darwinist cult that rules the scientific community ... which also means nothing to me. Perhaps you could clarify how this "cult of Darwinoids" hijacked science. Next, you could explain how the entire RCC selection process for a new Pope got hijacked by the evil one. After all, Jesus even said to Peter that the gates of hell would never prevail against His church. It might help me if you shared some of the literature and source of thinking that you espouse.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Dredge writes: So says Taq the Darwinoid con-man ... unfortunately for your lies, NONE of the scientists mentioned in the article said anything about our knowledge of toll-like receptors coming from UCD. quote:
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
"They stole the election!" ... you could explain how the entire RCC selection process for a new Pope got hijacked by the evil one.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringoat writes:
Please cite a scientific paper that states that the use of cow and pig insulin in humans would have been impossible without the theory of UCD.
You don't even understand that because we are related to cows and pigs, we have a common ancestor. Being related MEANS we have a common ancestor. YOU explain why no creationist, no common-descent denier, has ever produced a useful idea about biology.
Please cite a scientific paper that states that no creationist or no common-descent denier has ever produced a useful idea about biology.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
I already answered that. We wouldn't expect to find any papers that say we couldn't have gotten to the moon without the theory of gravity. It's a silly demand.
Please cite a scientific paper that states that the use of cow and pig insulin in humans would have been impossible without the theory of UCD. Dredge writes:
Likewise, we wouldn't expect to find any papers saying that the earth is not flat. It's a silly demand. Please cite a scientific paper that states that no creationist or no common-descent denier has ever produced a useful idea about biology. The onus is on you to cite any scientific paper in which any creationist or any science-denier has ever produced any useful idea about biology.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Phat writes:
The enemies of God's one, true Church don't know what they're talking about.
Some say that the Roman Catholic Church itself is a giant and ongoing cult. Our old member, Faith, used to attack them.
It's sad to see deceived people attacking God's Church. They know not what they do. Saul of Tarsus thought he was doing God's will by attacking the Church.
Perhaps you could clarify how this "cult of Darwinoids" hijacked science.
"Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him."
Next, you could explain how the entire RCC selection process for a new Pope got hijacked by the evil one. After all, Jesus even said to Peter that the gates of hell would never prevail against His church.
A Pope parroting a story about evolution doesn't mean the gates of hell have prevailed against the Catholic Church. If a Pope said the moon is made of cheese, it doesn't mean the gates of hell have prevailed against the Catholic Church.
It might help me if you shared some of the literature and source of thinking that you espouse.
Why would that help you? "Take me to your leader."
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Nice try, con-man, but no cigar. The comments you highlighted in your quote were made by the author of the article, NOT by any of the scientists involved in the work on toll-like receptors described in the article.
NONE of the scientists mentioned in the article said anything about UCD.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Dredge writes: Nice try, con-man, but no cigar. The comments you highlighted in your quote were made by the author of the article, NOT by any of the scientists involved in the work on toll-like receptors described in the article. Toll-like receptors were first discovered in fruit flies, and through common descent they were discovered in other species, including humans. Our knowledge of toll-like receptors are vital for understanding immunology, including our knowledge of how vaccines work. Show me a single thing in the paragraph above that is not true.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Why would that help you? Because you claim that the primary source of your "authoritative" argument comes from your covering through Gods True Church. Thus, im wondering if your sources originated through the church or if you simply favor Ken Ham and the ID proponents withot giving much of a thought about their source of information/wisdom. "Take me to your liter." The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Please cite a scientific paper that states that the use of cow and pig insulin in humans would have been impossible without the theory of UCD.ringoat writes:
In other words, you can cite the grand total of ZERO scientific papers that support your claim ... so I can safely conclude that you're a typical Darwinoid - ie, a bs-artist, a con-man and a charlatan.
I already answered that. Dredge writes:
Please cite a scientific paper that states that no creationist or no common-descent denier has ever produced a useful idea about biology.ringoat writes:
No, Einstein, that's not how it works ... you made the claim, so the onus is on you to back it up with some scientific evidence. The onus is on you to cite any scientific paper in which any creationist or any science-denier has ever produced any useful idea about biology. But you won't, bcoz you can't, which makes you a typical Darwinoid - ie, a bs-artist, a con-man and a charlatan.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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Phat writes:
Who is Ken Ham? Does he sell pork products? Thus, im wondering if your sources originated through the church or if you simply favor Ken Ham and the ID proponents withot giving much of a thought about their source of information/wisdom. Speaking of "sources", I quite like pork chops with apple source.
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