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AZPaul3
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Message 1381 of 1408 (904106)
12-22-2022 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1380 by Dredge
12-22-2022 2:44 AM


Re: UCD evidence
You have a bad reading comprehension problem. It's not that I can't, it's that I won't.
You have been given dozens of such cases upthread and all you do is deny their existence. You are a dishonest debater here only to troll. I won't play your game.
See one the dozens of examples already given upthread that answer your question. And they all do. Or have you forgotten how to read along with your lack of research skills?
Again, Dredge, too many jesus-meat crackers and blood aperitifs. They are rotting your brain.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 1382 of 1408 (904107)
12-22-2022 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1381 by AZPaul3
12-22-2022 3:00 AM


Re: UCD evidence
The bottom line is, all you've got to offer is your UCD fantasy. How pathetic. If I were you, I'd be embarrassed.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1383 of 1408 (904108)
12-22-2022 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1382 by Dredge
12-22-2022 3:16 AM


Re: UCD evidence
I'm not. Not in the least. And if you were me, you would know better than to be so stupid.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1384 of 1408 (904118)
12-22-2022 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1294 by xongsmith
12-15-2022 12:52 AM


Re: Provora - is this what Dredge wants to see?
Whereabouts in the article you cited does it describe the treatment of a disease being improved or created by the theory of UCD?
If the article doesn't contain any such description, it's irrelevant to the discussion on this thread
... but something tells me that you don't even understand that discussion, so I shouldn't be surprised by you providing an irrelevant article.

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Dredge
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Message 1385 of 1408 (904119)
12-22-2022 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1301 by ringo
12-15-2022 11:24 AM


Re: UCD evidence
ringo writes:
I can't believe that you don't understand: "relatedness of all species" is exactly the same as common descent. If you concede that all species are related, then you HAVE to accept common descent.
I accept the "relatedness of all species" in the sense that all species share certain genetic similarities ... which doesn't require accepting UCD.
Your problem as a brainwashed Darwinoid is that you can't accept relatedness due to genetic similarities without accepting UCD as well.
In other words, like all the Darwinoids, you're intellectually incapable of separating the facts (ie, the genetic similarities) the from a theory based on those facts (ie, UCD).
That's why you (and Darwinoids in general) mistakenly believe the theory UCD is practically useful to medical science, when the truth is it's only the facts of genetic similarity that are practically useful to medical science.
Dredge writes:
Secondly, UCD is merely a theory - you can't prove that it's "reality".
ringo writes:
Science doesn't attempt to "prove" anything.
... which means my statement is true: No one can prove that UCD is a fact.

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Message 1386 of 1408 (904120)
12-22-2022 8:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1299 by Phat
12-15-2022 9:21 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Phat writes:
the discipline of understanding another mans theory is the exact process through which vaccines,Chemotherapy treatments, even over the counter cough medicines were developed.
If you want to contribute to the discussion, please cite one example of how the theory of UCD has created or improved the treatment of a disease.
Do you even understand what the theory of UCD is?
You are a good Catholic, right? Explain any advances in the field of medicine among the clergy and laymen of the RCC that successfully moved forward in our (human) "fight" against childhood diseases or cancer treatments that willfully avoided the mainstream consensus at oh I dunno...UCLA or the Mayo clinic?
WTF?????? Bizarre.

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Message 1387 of 1408 (904121)
12-22-2022 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1386 by Dredge
12-22-2022 8:10 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
To clarify, I am attempting to defend mainstream medical thought, method and theory without being labled a Darwinoid! After all, even Pope Francis defended the legitimacy of biological evolution, IIRC. I would have to look it up. BTW what do you think of Francis?

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Dredge
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Message 1388 of 1408 (904123)
12-22-2022 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1303 by Taq
12-15-2022 11:39 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
I think what you're trying to say is, scientists don't need the theory of UCD to know how and why vaccines work.
Taq writes:
Scientists used UCD to figure out how vaccines work, as I have already shown you. It doesn't matter if you think they needed it or not. They used UCD.
COVID-19 vaccines: modes of immune activation and future challenges | Nature Reviews Immunology
They used UCD? Really? In that case, whereabouts in the article you cited does a scientist say they "used UCD to figure out how vaccines work"?
Where does the article even mention UCD?
NONE of the articles you've cited so far describe the actual creation of or improvement in a treatment for disease due to the theory of UCD.
The best you've managed to do is cite a theoretical approach to research, for which there is no evidence that it's even worth pursuing.
It appears you're flogging a dead horse, but you're too proud and arrogant to admit it.

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Message 1389 of 1408 (904125)
12-22-2022 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1387 by Phat
12-22-2022 8:31 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Phat writes:
After all, even Pope Francis defended the legitimacy of biological evolution
Big deal. The Pope's opinion on evolution means nothing to me. He's merely parroting the consensus of the Darwinist cult that rules the scientific community ... which also means nothing to me.
Besides, I accept that life on earth has experienced great changes over vast periods of time, so in that sense I accept "evolution".
BTW what do you think of Francis?
The sooner he's replaced the better. The only good thing I've heard from him is when he spoke about the reality of demons and Satan ... how ironic!

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Message 1390 of 1408 (904133)
12-22-2022 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1388 by Dredge
12-22-2022 8:44 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
They used UCD? Really? In that case, whereabouts in the article you cited does a scientist say they "used UCD to figure out how vaccines work"?
They used knowledge of toll-like receptors to figure out how vaccines work, and our knowledge of toll-like receptors came from UCD. I have cited all of the relevant articles multiple times now.

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ringo
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Message 1391 of 1408 (904135)
12-22-2022 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1372 by Dredge
12-21-2022 11:56 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
In other words, you can't answer my question:
Why do you need to believe that all life shares a common ancestor to examine and compare the DNA of humans and other animals?
I'm pretty sure I did answer that question the first time you asked it, quite a long time ago. It isn't a question of "need".
The common ancestor is a fact. Nested hierarchies based on gross anatomy indicated common descent very long ago - and that fact was confirmed more recently by DNA.
We don't "need" it to be a fact but it is. We can't really do anything in biology without acknowleging the fact - the evidence for that is the fact that deniers, like creationists, don't do anything in biology.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 1392 of 1408 (904136)
12-22-2022 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1378 by Dredge
12-22-2022 2:19 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
which improvement in the treatment of which disease has the "fact" of UCD provided? And explain how.
Answered many times. Cow and pig insulin improved the treatment of diabetes. We only thought of it because cows and pigs are related to us - i.e. we share a common ancestor with cows and pigs.
No creationist, for the past 6000 years, has thought of anything like that. Their denial of evolution prevents them.
Now YOU explain how that does not answer your question.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 1393 of 1408 (904138)
12-22-2022 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1385 by Dredge
12-22-2022 8:00 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Dredge writes:
I accept the "relatedness of all species" in the sense that all species share certain genetic similarities ... which doesn't require accepting UCD.
It does if you're not an idiot. All species sharing genetic similarities IS UCD.
Dredge writes:
Your problem as a brainwashed Darwinoid is that you can't accept relatedness due to genetic similarities without accepting UCD as well.
No rational person could. They're the same thing.
Dredge writes:
you're intellectually incapable of separating the facts (ie, the genetic similarities) the from a theory based on those facts (ie, UCD).
You have utterly failed to show how it's possible to be related without being related.
Dredge writes:
ringo writes:
Science doesn't attempt to "prove" anything
.... which means my statement is true: No one can prove that UCD is a fact.
You lost that argument a very long time ago. Science doesn't try to "prove" ANYTHING. It doesn't try to prove the world is round. It just shows the evidence. It doesn't try to prove that 1 + 1 = 2. It just shows the evidence. And it doesn't try to prove that things that are related are related. It just shows the evidence.
You're just piling stupidity on stupidity, trying to claim that the obvious isn't true.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 1394 of 1408 (904139)
12-22-2022 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1389 by Dredge
12-22-2022 8:58 AM


Re: On A Similar Note...
Dredge writes:
The Pope's opinion on evolution means nothing to me.
Nothing means anything to you because you're an idiot. You don't understand the meaning of meaning.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Dredge
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Message 1395 of 1408 (904774)
01-07-2023 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1390 by Taq
12-22-2022 10:37 AM


Re: UCD evidence
Taq writes:
They used knowledge of toll-like receptors to figure out how vaccines work, and our knowledge of toll-like receptors came from UCD.
So says Taq the Darwinoid con-man ... unfortunately for your lies, NONE of the scientists mentioned in the article said anything about our knowledge of toll-like receptors coming from UCD.
I have cited all of the relevant articles multiple times now.
So says Taq the Darwinoid con-man ... unfortunately for your lies,
NONE of the articles or papers you cited even mention UCD.

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